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Post by imaginarius on Apr 10, 2009 2:55:09 GMT -5
so, here is my almighty '91 GL... So I want to lower it a tidbit, but some questions... 1. I heard that cutting is not good for handling, but I hear good stories that come out of it 2. I have a wife and a toddler, and I just want it to look good...is that a practical reason to lower it? 3. The car is pretty much stock, except for new brakes; me hitting anything above 40mph here in Eugene is pretty rare, so would it handle well enough for that? And if I do reach highway speeds...same question. 4. I want Potenza P165/65R13's, I think that would be the best option here. But if I choose to move up to 14's, would THAT be feasible, especially after I already lowered it for the 13's? So...thoughts...comments...death threats?
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SeattleJusty
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Post by SeattleJusty on Apr 10, 2009 10:49:44 GMT -5
I know that hearing me say this will come as a shock to many because I'm kind of the safety-police but if you know what you're doing and have the correct tools, there's nothing too bad or dangerous about cutting a single coil (just one spiral) out of a stock spring. The spring rate actually increases a little bit when you do this which is a good thing and you get a slightly lower car. The thing to stay away from is the backyard method of heating the spring to make it sag. This practice actually is dangerous both in the short term and especially in the long term. I will spare you the science lesson, just take my word for it.
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Post by imaginarius on Apr 10, 2009 12:10:00 GMT -5
Dude, I have NEVER heard of that, but just the sound of it rings of sheer stupidity. I would like to stick with the garage method here...heh anyways, so the best way of cutting it would be with a die grinder, I take it? How exactly do I know how much I am cutting? And if everything down there is all stock/OEM, how much will it affect that equipment? Would I need to bring some shizzle up to fresh?
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Post by subyswamper on Apr 12, 2009 19:17:10 GMT -5
Hey imaginarius your justy looks just like mine. ;D
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Post by imaginarius on Apr 12, 2009 23:13:01 GMT -5
just(y) a 91, FI, 2wd...pretty simple and stock
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Post by streetruler on May 17, 2009 10:58:11 GMT -5
the spring rate does NOT increase. there is less spring and the car will bottom out easier. with the added weight of a passanger and a kid i doubt it willl be good.
cut springs are wicked ghetto
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Post by imaginarius on May 17, 2009 21:44:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not actually going to do that now; I want a suspension more tuned for the old BLM/logging roads around here.
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SeattleJusty
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Post by SeattleJusty on May 17, 2009 22:15:09 GMT -5
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Post by imaginarius on May 17, 2009 22:59:30 GMT -5
*politely stepping out of that one* Yeah, like I said, I changed my mind; once I hit those roads, I decided cutting/lowering is not a good idear... Now I need(sometime in the future) better springs and shocks.....any suggestions? I'm talking a cheapER kit for high speed, twisty gravel roading that can be ok for daily use as well.
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Post by streetruler on May 18, 2009 12:43:51 GMT -5
alright whatever. it increases marginaly....but its ghetto as hell and will ride really poorly. have you ever been in a modern car with cut springs?
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Post by SeattleJusty on May 18, 2009 20:30:06 GMT -5
alright whatever. it increases marginaly....but its ghetto as hell and will ride really poorly. have you ever been in a modern car with cut springs? You mean basically a Nissan 350Z... really low, stiff as hell, makes your kidneys hurt. What does modernity have to with with this anyway? I cut the front springs on my 1965 Triumph with very pleasing results. Later I cut a coil out of the Springs on a girlfriend's 1995 Neon and that worked just fine as long as she owned the car. When you pay money for fancy new springs there are several things you could be paying for. The most significant would be a spring with a progressive rate. That is worth the money. Otherwise you're paying for someone else to do the math, someone else to do the work and someone else to paint them red, put them in a box that says "Stage 3" and another person to overcharge you for the former. If you are ingenuitive, you can do this for yourself and save a whole bunch of money. You won't have the aesthetic diminishing coil at both ends (there's a proper word for those but it escapes me) but those are not actually necessary as the spring will compress and seat just the same.
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Post by newtojustys on May 18, 2009 22:50:28 GMT -5
he said "a" girlfriend
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Post by jintei on May 18, 2009 23:20:29 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with cutting a loop on a spring, as long as its one or one 1/2 AT MUCH. old school racers did it a lot. I did and tested this with some cars and cornering performance increased notoriously by just lowering the center of gravity, and the cars didn't turn into stiff brain shakers. putting $1000 springs on a $600 car IS ''GHETTO"" , Whatever that means.
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Post by imaginarius on May 18, 2009 23:37:44 GMT -5
My Spidey-sense tells me that last comment was aimed towards I. I could give a rat's butt-hole how much money I put into my 400 dollar(not 600 dollar) car, I want that bitch to be super-fine. Gotta problem with that? **rips off sleeves** Tell me.
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Post by jintei on May 19, 2009 1:40:42 GMT -5
MUAHAHAHA!! ''That last goblin pumpkin bomb might have really disoriented you, since you cant tell that last post was aimed at streetruler'' AARRGGHH!! ''And you cant see Seattle-Octopus and i are telling you to go ahead and cut the springs as you wanted'' "If you still want to fight me Spidey, im still waiting for you here'' subarujusty.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=engine&action=display&thread=2432&page=3 MUAHAHAHA!!!!
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Post by newtojustys on May 19, 2009 2:48:54 GMT -5
i think what image meant was the last liner in your(jintei)reply, only because image originally wanted to cut, then decided it probably was not a good idea after he(as we all should) found out how fun it is to go balls out(or in my case, clam out) through the woods, or anywhere where there is gravel. now i guess he wants to just improve the suspension to where it is satisfactory in all senses...i'm also guessing that he does not care if he puts a lil extra money in his honey... if it was not aimed at image, then surely whatever is being posted after image said he was not going to cut after all is just pure popcorn-eating entertainment...facts, yes, but entertainment
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Post by SeattleJusty on May 19, 2009 10:45:36 GMT -5
MUAHAHAHA!! ''That last goblin pumpkin bomb might have really disoriented you, since you cant tell that last post was aimed at streetruler'' AARRGGHH!! ''And you cant see Seattle-Octopus and i are telling you to go ahead and cut the springs as you wanted'' "If you still want to fight me Spidey, im still waiting for you here'' subarujusty.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=engine&action=display&thread=2432&page=3 MUAHAHAHA!!!! HA hA ha Ha ;D ;D ;D Crack me up i think what image meant was the last liner in your(jintei)reply, only because image originally wanted to cut, then decided it probably was not a good idea after he(as we all should) found out how fun it is to go balls out(or in my case, clam out) through the woods, or anywhere where there is gravel. now i guess he wants to just improve the suspension to where it is satisfactory in all senses...i'm also guessing that he does not care if he puts a lil extra money in his honey... if it was not aimed at image, then surely whatever is being posted after image said he was not going to cut after all is just pure popcorn-eating entertainment...facts, yes, but entertainment Clam out!!! Crack me up even more!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by DrewNukesEm on May 19, 2009 14:19:19 GMT -5
Rock out with your cock out.
Glam out with your clam out.
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Post by doctormcgoveran on Mar 24, 2012 0:47:17 GMT -5
two things the term ghetto is often used as a euphemistic term for n****R rigged. The other thing is the cost you pay for the car is a sunk cost and not relevant to enegineering discussions. If the car had cost more would it steer better with new springs?
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Post by Captain Nemo on Mar 24, 2012 5:43:32 GMT -5
Would cutting a coil out stiffen the front enough to remove the anti roll bar without undue effect?
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