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Post by RedRooJusty on Oct 15, 2009 17:05:40 GMT -5
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Post by onsk8 on Oct 15, 2009 18:27:57 GMT -5
Just thought i would add some stats. Pirelli winter tire 155/70 on stock justy steel rim is 31 lbs +-2 lbs. but that is filled with air. lol
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Post by streetruler on Oct 15, 2009 22:12:05 GMT -5
you also ahve to consider what kind of driving you do, if its freeway crusing the tallest tire would be your best bet regardless of wheel/tire weight. if you are a city driver then yes weight matters a little. i always think its funny when people talk about cars being lighter for mileage ect. go on a diet and drop 5lbs
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Post by 89 on Oct 16, 2009 0:04:58 GMT -5
Aaah - this is good stuff indeed! SJ, I have been wanting to know the stock JUSTY wheel weight(s) but never got around to dismounting the old tires! I was thinking 11ish. That is one heck of a scale - are you moonlighting as a butcher or was that picked up at a Left coast meth lab yard sale?! ;D RedRoo - nice tip - Tire Rack now has tire weights?? - fantastic. I haven't been on there since ordering my Sumitomos a couple of years ago! Cheers,
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Post by RedRooJusty on Oct 16, 2009 13:38:56 GMT -5
**streetruler** I agree to a good extent, if you add too much unspung weight then you shorten the life of most of your suspension components. I believe that most people want find a good balance of performance vs. economy, but you are right in reguard to personal preference by driving style.
**89** I believe that your avitar shows you are running new mini-cooper stock steelies (those are designed "smooth" and look good without any hubcaps - I would not run hubcaps anyway). Do you need spacers for these? Any other dimension issues (I see you have replaced / modified your wheel wells -great work BTW)?
I have been considering 15" rims and really do not prefer spacers, if the mini-cooper 15" fits center-on (?) then I will sell off my xB wheels and go with those.
-**89**I just noticed and checked your flikr links!
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Post by streetruler on Oct 16, 2009 22:38:56 GMT -5
xb wheels fit?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2009 18:38:13 GMT -5
The tire weight thing is cool!! This means if someone can weigh a stock 13" steelie I can get the RE-92 weight and total it that way, as well as subtract the RE-92 weight from my wheelset and get my aluminum wheel weight out...
Anyone have a stock 13" steelie to weigh? I am hoping SeattleJusty does since he obviously has the most awesome scale!
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Post by SeattleJusty on Oct 17, 2009 19:07:26 GMT -5
The tire weight thing is cool!! This means if someone can weigh a stock 13" steelie I can get the RE-92 weight and total it that way, as well as subtract the RE-92 weight from my wheelset and get my aluminum wheel weight out... Anyone have a stock 13" steelie to weigh? I am hoping SeattleJusty does since he obviously has the most awesome scale! HAHA ;D Well I do have 4 or 5 Justy 13"s but they are all on my Gen2 GL 4X4 right now and all have tires on them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2009 20:56:21 GMT -5
HAHA ;D Well I do have 4 or 5 Justy 13"s but they are all on my Gen2 GL 4X4 right now and all have tires on them. Well that could work too if we can find the tire on tirerack and trust the weight to be close enough. That and if you get a chance of course!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2009 20:58:33 GMT -5
Oh my gosh! My wheel studs have been delayed again. Apparently UPS got the packaged damaged and repacked the invoice in an envelope and sent it along without the studs. So, more waiting...
I am actually very curious to how much unsprung weight I have added with my wheel/tire combo..
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Post by 89 on Oct 18, 2009 0:04:24 GMT -5
wombat, If they can't get the order straight, I had 'same day' JUSTY wheel stud luck at NAPA , Autozone, and another Mom & Pop parts place. RedRoo, Thx man... good call - both the 15s are BMW 'New' Mini application. As I had a bit of rust on each stock flare, I got to cutting and decided to blow the flares out some. Upon test install had inner tire rubbing on the 195s so opted/splurged for quality spacer assemblies by H&R (they attach to the original hubs via secondary lug nuts). These allowed an exact and safe fit to the Mini wheels/tires combo. However, the original hub tabs did need to go. We got to chatting up 15s a bit more on this thread (almost 3 years ago feels like minutes ago : subarujusty.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wheelsandtires&action=display&thread=133Keep us posted,
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Post by Justy4x4 on Oct 18, 2009 12:49:20 GMT -5
I just weighed some stock 13" steel rims from a '91 Justy 4WD. They weigh in at 14.25 lbs each. All four together on the scale came to 57 lbs so it should be reasonably accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2009 0:28:23 GMT -5
Good info.. I will weigh one of my wheel/tire combos as soon as I can. I guess with the tirerack.com info of the 165/65-13 showing 19lbs the combo on my old Justy is around 33.25lbs.
My studs showed up today! Now just need time to put them in. Been helping a friend get a car going and looks like more work tomorrow.
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Post by RedRooJusty on Oct 20, 2009 1:35:31 GMT -5
**89** You grafted your bumper skins into your fender flares ?? that is bold man.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2009 13:38:59 GMT -5
Hub-to-rotor I believe is 40-50 ft lbs, axle nut is just a bit more...145 ft lbs. Question on the best way to achieve this torque - is it safe to put everything together, torque the axle nut as best I can and then put the wheel on and put weight on it (not set the vehicle down, but put weight on it) in order to keep the wheel from spinning when I torque the nut the rest of the way? I don't have a helper to press the brake pedal...
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Post by RedRooJusty on Oct 21, 2009 17:02:03 GMT -5
**wombatsauce** for the hub (spindle) nut @ 146ft-lbs I snugged the hub nut, mounted the wheel, touched the wheel to the ground (not full weight, only enough to grip), and found myself almost standing on the torque wrench. Looking back, I should have called in a friend (life-line lol) to depress the brake pedal as this would have been far easier. For safety I still had the 3ton floor jack under the suspension, and a good e-brake. **streetruler** I still have not finished fitting the toyota/scion (xB) rims yet, so I will not say they fit at this time. I can tell you that these rims do fit the front hub tabs (no cutting needed). The beauty of fitting these rims is that it opens the scion 15" alloy option as well. I will keep you posted --Updates for my 15" xB steel rims (toyota part# 69448): The rim weighs 18lbs. Earlier in this thread I figured that I had 4lbs to trade into rim weight by moving from the 165/65/13 tire (@19lbs) to the 175/55/15 tire (@15lbs). **Justy4x4** posted the stock 13x5" justy rim @ 14.25lbs. Conclusion (the tire weights are most likely a shipping approximation, as **89** suggested take a scale when hunting down combinations): Stock Justy 13x5" steel rim + stock 165/65/13 tire = 33.25lbs Stock 04'-06' xB 15x6" steel rim + 175/55/15 tire = 33lbs --good times
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Post by SeattleJusty on Oct 21, 2009 19:04:41 GMT -5
**wombatsauce** for the hub (spindle) nut @ 146ft-lbs I snugged the hub nut, mounted the wheel, touched the wheel to the ground (not full weight, only enough to grip), and found myself almost standing on the torque wrench. Looking back, I should have called in a friend (life-line lol) to depress the brake pedal as this would have been far easier. For safety I still had the 3ton floor jack under the suspension, and a good e-brake. **streetruler** I still have not finished fitting the toyota/scion (xB) rims yet, so I will not say they fit at this time. I can tell you that these rims do fit the front hub tabs (no cutting needed). The beauty of fitting these rims is that it opens the scion 15" alloy option as well. I will keep you posted --Updates for my 15" xB steel rims (toyota part# 69448): The rim weighs 18lbs. Earlier in this thread I figured that I had 4lbs to trade into rim weight by moving from the 165/65/13 tire (@19lbs) to the 175/55/15 tire (@15lbs). **Justy4x4** posted the stock 13x5" justy rim @ 14.25lbs. Conclusion (the tire weights are most likely a shipping approximation, as **89** suggested take a scale when hunting down combinations): Stock Justy 13x5" steel rim + stock 165/65/13 tire = 33.25lbs Stock 04'-06' xB 15x6" steel rim + 175/55/15 tire = 33lbs --good times Roo, this is the best wheel & tire post in a very long time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2009 0:03:52 GMT -5
Roo, this is the best wheel & tire post in a very long time. No doubt! Quite helpful. So I changed my LH wheel studs today. I did not do the RH side which I know is bad juju but I will do this soon. I am hoping to find a set of Justy GL calipers and rotors and do it all at that time. I must admit I question the weight figures Tire Rack posts since I had a look today. It shows the 165/65-13 as 19lbs but mine which are 165/65-14 as 13lbs. Have a look: www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Bridgestone&model=Potenza+RE92&tirePageLocQty=Anyway, I weighed my wheel/tire combo on my crappy scale. Before doing that I weighed a combination of my 15, 25 and 35lb dumbells I use and the weights were all spot-on. So that's nice. Here's the setup: Close up of the scale readout (ugh): What do you think - 26-27lbs? Am I reading that right? If that is true, and if the Tire Rack figure is really true, that means I gained an inch in diameter with not much weight penalty over the stock 165/65-13 and steel-wheel combo. Unless I am confused. Here it is all buttoned up. My splines looked great and everything came apart/went together nicely but the hub looks beat on! Here are the new lugnuts I found - on the right with a brand new Justy lugnut (oops from Subaru) on the left. These were in-expensive (I will check when I buy the rest - forgot what they cost) but definitely needed to be tapped before using!! I ruined one of my studs putting the new nuts on the first time. Sucky, but it happens. I got these because of the larger face on the angled part. They seem to work well. I ended up finding a way to stick my breaker bar into the wheel studs with my jack handle (torque multiplier haha) on the end of it and sitting on the ground. In this manner I was actually very easily able to torque the nut down to 146 ft/lbs according to my wrench. I have to admit though I do not recommend this as it put little indents on the threads of my new wheel studs! Maybe placing lug nuts on the studs would be better. No resistance tightening them down, so I hope it's okay. I fussed around getting the studs into the hub and eventually ended up using the wheel which worked great, and was nice to hold everything while tightening down as well. I only did the left side as I had to knock off early to help a friend in need do a head-gasket and timing belt on his '87 Tercel. Tossed my tools in the Justy and drove 25 miles pretty much immediately and the car did great. It's really fun to drive. What do y'all concur - buddy on the brake pedal is the best way to secure the axle nut for torque-down?
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Post by onsk8 on Oct 22, 2009 2:58:16 GMT -5
What do y'all concur - buddy on the brake pedal is the best way to secure the axle nut for torque-down? I just plop'er down gently(maybe) and torque away as long as you put as much torque on it as possible before letting it down it should be fine i'd think? Any one say contrary? Nice weight savings on your wheels might have to go get some escort rims.
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Post by RedRooJusty on Oct 22, 2009 13:44:22 GMT -5
**SeattleJusty** thank you sir, I appreciate your forum and try to be thoughtful and fair with everyone. I am not afraid to be wrong, and usually take constructive criticism well.
**wombatsauce** I noticed in your post on the 14" alloy thread, that to run the 14x5" escort alloy rim that you had to get the rims machined (60mm?) to fit the hub tabs. Ford lists this as: Part#- F3CC1007AA. From subtracting the estimated tire weight I would guess the alloy rim to weigh 14~15lbs (about same as the stock 13" Justy steelies). No matter they look really good on a Justy. I found that this rim has a 37.5mm offset, does this fit the Justy "center-on" without spacers? The 165/65/14 potenza RE92 is about 4.8% larger diameter than OE stock, did you have to make slight adjustments to the fender wells? My measurements show that at about +6% diameter the tread will rub in the rear fender well.
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