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Post by justyjoel on Jun 19, 2011 17:43:08 GMT -5
when i bought my subaru justy it had a seized clutch cable. making it almost impossible to shift into first and second. after putting a new clutch cable in it was too late. it wont shift into first and second. when i try for second gear, as soon as i loft off the clutch it grinds out of gear. i ordered a first and second gear shifter fork. i was wondering how hard it is to change. Thanks
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Post by streetruler on Jun 19, 2011 18:07:49 GMT -5
what the hell is a "gear shifter fork" ?? the shift fork is the piece that the clutch cable pulls on, pivots and presses the throw out bearing into the "fingers" of the pressure plate. theres one per car. not one per gear.
do you have a ton of miles on the car? if you do the pressure plate gets stuff as hell when its super old.
also the grinding sounds like the cable is out of adjustment causing the clutch to not fully engage thus the grinding.
or are you talking about the shift lever inside the car and the corresponding rods that link the shifter to the transmission?
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Post by justyjoel on Jun 19, 2011 18:15:40 GMT -5
ya, the corrosponding rod that links the shifter to the specific gear in the transmission. i am not very technically inclined so if u can tell me anything it will help. thanks
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Post by streetruler on Jun 19, 2011 18:28:44 GMT -5
didnt mean to come off as an ass. sometimes precise words dont matter. sometimes they do.
if the shift linkage is bent like that your only chance is to replace it or bend it back with bending being an absolutely last resort. Also check that your bushings dont have a ton of play in them. someone recently mentioned that they had this issue and it caused a grind.
im not 100% sure the arms are supposed to be dead straight so glance at a service manual.
also can you describe exactly what happens? like step by step? pretend you are at a complete stop in neutral just sitting there. take us through the steps of getting into first gear and the problems
for instance,
clutch in, shift into 1st and its super hard and grinds. Then when i take my foot off the clutch it grabs as soon as i move my foot ever so slightly and then the car just takes off like i just sidestepped the clutch.
or something like that. tell us what the problem is and where.
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Post by justyjoel on Jun 19, 2011 18:38:44 GMT -5
thanks for being respectful.
When im stopped @ a light i put the clutch in and try for first and it won't even go in gear. i try for second gear and if i try hard and hold it in place it will go in gear. but when i let off the clutch it will grind out of gear right away. gears 3,4,5 and rev work fine. but 1st and 2nd are done. ps. it is a 1988 4wd gl.
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Post by streetruler on Jun 19, 2011 18:45:11 GMT -5
ok.
this COULD be a lever issue. when the gear shifter is in the left most position rowing forward and back, it is keeping one lever in the same position and moving one to and fro. youd have to see how a shifter works to understand what i mean, but take it on faith. if you can have someone shift into 1st and second back and forth without letting the shifter "return to center" while you look at it to see which lever is moving that will help. The moving leve probably isnt the problem its the one thats stationary when shifting int 1st and 2nd. if that one is bent, it might have not enough reach to engage 1 or 2. it goes without saying this is done with the car stopped/not running.
question. can you put it into 3rd 4th and 5th etc with the car at a stop while running or does it give you trouble too? and for that matter can you put it in 1 or 2nd gear when the car isnt running or does it give you the same problem?
the reason i ask running or not for gear 1 and 2 test is because if it is only when running i think its more the clutch not properly disengaging. if it does it all the time then its a mechanical problem.
also look at the bushing on the lever that does not move while you are under the car. if its rotted away or just flat out gone that could be the problem too. either a bend or a missing bushing would cause it to not have enough movement to engage a gear properly.
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Post by streetruler on Jun 19, 2011 18:47:51 GMT -5
also the reason i say the moving shift rod isnt probably the culprit is because if it were, youd have problems with every gear not just the 1-2 gear's.
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Post by justyjoel on Jun 19, 2011 18:59:30 GMT -5
ok, the bushing prob is the problem then. the only thing that i have nothing to compare the car too. so i dont really know what 2 c is missing. although there itnt a bushing that i can c under the car. and the shifter can move up and down when pulled up
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Post by dieseltech on Jul 31, 2014 16:29:11 GMT -5
I know it's an old thread, but sometimes corrections are needed!
The original question asked about a possible bent shift fork for 1st and 2nd gear, the responding user proceeded to jump down his throat about there being only one fork...
EVERY manual transmission I've ever had apart has multiple forks 1 is called the CLUTCH RELEASE FORK And then you generally have: 1st/2nd gear SHIFT FORK(attached to the 1st/2nd shift rod) 3rd/4th gear SHIFT FORK(attached to the 3rd/4th shift rod) 5th/Rev gear SHIFT FORK(attached to the 5th/Rev shift rod)
These SHIFT FORKS are what moves the corresponding synchro(which allows for a smooth shift with no grinding).
From the description of the problem it sounds like a worn 1st/2nd gear synchro (which is on the gear shaft) causing the lack of 1st gear AND the 'jumping' out of 2nd gear issue.
Please if you're going to jump down someone's throat for using the wrong 'technical term' KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!
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