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Post by rejectme on Aug 12, 2007 17:56:01 GMT -5
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Post by gearheadeh on Aug 12, 2007 18:53:09 GMT -5
Yes , I would say that the brat sounds like it warrant's further investigation.
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Post by milfordcubicle on Aug 12, 2007 19:05:08 GMT -5
The Brat is gorgeous, you don't often see them in that style - I've only ever seen the Mk2-style ones here.
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Post by blackjusty on Aug 12, 2007 19:07:38 GMT -5
Take the brat motor and install it in a Justy. I am suprised no one has done that before.
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Post by rejectme on Aug 12, 2007 19:45:37 GMT -5
would that really work? ill call dude on the brat in the morning...lol
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SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Aug 12, 2007 22:00:54 GMT -5
Take the brat motor and install it in a Justy. I am suprised no one has done that before. I'll tell you why nobody's done that before: It's too much work because it doesn't fit. Too much cutting/welding/engineering for a 75HP pushrod engine. Talk about a step backwards
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Post by blackjusty on Aug 12, 2007 22:07:50 GMT -5
What else would you do with a Brat. I once tried the rollbar on for size that came out of a Brat. It looked kind of cool, and fit the inside body lines.
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Post by gearheadeh on Aug 12, 2007 22:38:56 GMT -5
Take the brat motor and install it in a Justy. I am suprised no one has done that before. I'll tell you why nobody's done that before: It's too much work because it doesn't fit. Too much cutting/welding/engineering for a 75HP pushrod engine. Talk about a step backwards Yah...... that is all true, but you should see what they can do with a little swap into the brat! Like an almost 9 second quarter mile!.
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Post by gc73 on Aug 13, 2007 5:40:56 GMT -5
the reason you havent seen a mk1 brat is beacause most have rotted into the ground as coincedentally have most mk2s,as to fitting a brat engine into a justy is a seriously involved project which will end up with the requirement to fabricate a transmission tunnel,shorten the prop-shaft dramatically and ultimatly either seriously modify or move the bulkhead back,and probably modify the rear end mounting to accomidate the rear differential,the brat engine and transmission is longitudinal and the justy is transverse.there is also an issue of extra weight. i have had the mk2 1.8 and they are great fun on their own without playing around with them.
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SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Aug 13, 2007 10:42:40 GMT -5
as to fitting a brat engine into a justy is a seriously involved project which will end up with the requirement to fabricate a transmission tunnel,shorten the prop-shaft dramatically and ultimatly either seriously modify or move the bulkhead back,and probably modify the rear end mounting to accomidate the rear differential,the brat engine and transmission is longitudinal and the justy is transverse.there is also an issue of extra weight. For once we agree that putting a flat-4 into a Justy is a mostly bad idea but I disagree a little bit with your reasons. First off, if you already have a 4X4 Justy to start with then you don't have to "fabricate a transmission tunnel" The Justy already has a tunnel for your prop-shaft/drive-shaft. As far as making the tunnel bigger or changing your bulkhead for the boxer engine/transaxle, this is not necessary as the boxer transaxle is within the engine bay. This also means the prop-shaft doesn't not have to be shortened significantly if at all. Next up the diff. Since the Justy rear can handle all of the power that the puny Brat engine makes, it could stay if the ratios are the same as the Brat's but since the Justy has a nearly 4.44:1 ratio, this is unlikely. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that to anyone ballsy enough to endure the hassle of the engine fitting, the placement of the Brat diffy in place of the Justys would be practically straightforward. I think you left out the most important details: The boxer engines is too wide for the Justy and you have to cut into the frame rails to make it fit! Not only that but your front pulley will protrude into the front bumper. Next to an Audi 5-cylinder, this is the most forward hanging engine I can think of and yes, like you said, it is heavier than the EF12. I would not recommend attempting this kind of conversion as it will probably result in the destruction of an otherwise good Justy. To show that the bulkhead and tunnel do not have to be chopped, have a look at the only known boxer+Justy transplant known. monswap.monchar.com/monswap.monchar.com
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Post by rejectme on Aug 13, 2007 11:37:53 GMT -5
i have nothing really intelligent to say, but you guys are awesome! i called dude and he has like 12 ppl showing today...i dont think i stand a chance, and its a heck of a drive, so i think im SOL on this one. thanks for all the input guys!
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Post by gc73 on Aug 13, 2007 13:01:46 GMT -5
although your pics show the transmission fits,it looks like the fabricated mounts drop it approx 2inches(in effect a substitute for a tunnel),so yes if you didnt intend to use it off the road in any description this seems fine,you talk about the brat being a bit slow but the mk1 was a 1.6 and the mk2 was a 1.8 with cam belts so depends which you are familiar with and from experience its a slightly taller engine than the legacy/impreza due to the carb and air filter sitting higher than injection manifolds,and yes the brat engine although narrower slightly the the legacy engine due different heads is too wide,also the brat diff is larger with different sized prop connection ,yes although a minor mod i feel shortening would be needed, mearly my opinion but its use dependant.
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SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Aug 13, 2007 13:22:02 GMT -5
Dude, 1.6 1.8 cam belt, blah blah blah, s-l-o-w-w-w-w. Mid 80's Subie 1.6's were churning out an underwhelming 70BHP. I just don't see draining your bank account to cut up a Justy for this engine swap. Oh but SJ, SJ, SJ you can get more power out of the boxer than it has stock <---OK then spend that money getting more power out of your EF12 Seriously, I'm getting pretty sick of hearing people drone on & on about putting boxer engines into Justys, especially since none of you are doing it. My official stance from hereforth is that such people are not true Justy fans and ought to just quit wanking, sell their Justy and buy an Impreza.
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Post by gc73 on Aug 13, 2007 13:52:44 GMT -5
its a stupid conversion i agree,and for the record i dont think anything other than what should be there,is appropriate,be it modified or turbo charged even stock.the mid 80s 1600s were gutless but the 1800 had 98bhp standard so yes still no rocket sled but combined with the 4 speed dual range tranny it wasnt actually that bad for what it was
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SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Aug 13, 2007 23:01:17 GMT -5
Y'know, I was looking more closely at some more pictures of that WRX/Justy and I can't tell for sure if he did some cutting at the firewall or not, so rather than edit my earlier post I am going to print a retraction right here and say that I may have been wrong before. Bottom line: putting a boxer into a Justy is an incredible amount of work that so far only one nutjob has had the money & balls to do. If you are going to spend that kind of time & money to do it, it had better be fore more than 98BHP. If you go through with all of that and aren't down below 11 lbs per HP, then it probably just isn't worth it.
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Post by rejectme on Aug 14, 2007 1:01:31 GMT -5
honestly i could follow about 98% of this convo and id have to say sounds like alot of trouble for no so great results. I think id want to put my money into making the origional justy the best car it could be in its complete form.......just makes more sense to me.
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Post by rejectme on Aug 14, 2007 1:22:29 GMT -5
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Post by justycr on Aug 14, 2007 9:23:18 GMT -5
Dude, 1.6 1.8 cam belt, blah blah blah, s-l-o-w-w-w-w. Mid 80's Subie 1.6's were churning out an underwhelming 70BHP. I just don't see draining your bank account to cut up a Justy for this engine swap. Oh but SJ, SJ, SJ you can get more power out of the boxer than it has stock <---OK then spend that money getting more power out of your EF12 Seriously, I'm getting pretty sick of hearing people drone on & on about putting boxer engines into Justys, especially since none of you are doing it. My official stance from hereforth is that such people are not true Justy fans and ought to just quit wanking, sell their Justy and buy an Impreza. That s a good point, I completely agree with Seattle, The EF12 engine proof be a good engine, and all this swap thing begings to be annoying, +1
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Post by thatguy420 on Dec 3, 2016 14:24:56 GMT -5
Y'know, I was looking more closely at some more pictures of that WRX/Justy and I can't tell for sure if he did some cutting at the firewall or not, so rather than edit my earlier post I am going to print a retraction right here and say that I may have been wrong before. Bottom line: putting a boxer into a Justy is an incredible amount of work that so far only one nutjob has had the money & balls to do. If you are going to spend that kind of time & money to do it, it had better be fore more than 98BHP. If you go through with all of that and aren't down below 11 lbs per HP, then it probably just isn't worth it. Some nutjob actually did it!? please tell me more! You guys see the V8 justy conversion on youtube? cool but overkill...
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