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Post by Neuspeed94 on May 3, 2004 16:16:25 GMT -5
I had the justy at subaru today and it appears that the justy has brought it's own death. The total bill for just the parts to fix it is US$708.45 That is only about $400 shy of what the car's blue book is so I am not going to fix it. I am going to try and sell it for $400 so that after fixing the car, the person who buys it will have ended up paying blue book for it. This sucks, I really like this car. If anyone here wants to buy my justy I will sell it to you for $400. It is in excellent condition(except for the motor problem. It has about $1500 invested in aftermarket stuff and nothing else is wrong or damaged on the car except for what I mentioned above. It also has only 79k miles on it.
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Post by Justy4x4 on May 3, 2004 16:50:58 GMT -5
Why don't you just rebuild the engine yourself? They're really easy to remove when equipped with a 5 speed. Not too heavy to move around on the bench either! Good learning project...
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Post by Neuspeed94 on May 3, 2004 18:00:08 GMT -5
Why don't you just rebuild the engine yourself? They're really easy to remove when equipped with a 5 speed. Not too heavy to move around on the bench either! Good learning project... I just don't feel like investing $700 bucks in it. Besides, I am wanting to get a truck, and that 700 could go toward it instead of fixing the justy.
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Post by Justy4x4 on May 3, 2004 19:08:01 GMT -5
What did the dealer say was actually wrong with it? Getting the crank turned and buying undersized bearings doesn't cost $700.
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Post by Justyracer on May 3, 2004 19:43:24 GMT -5
Getting the crank turned and buying undersized bearings doesn't cost $700. probably around 150$....those engine are easy and fun to work on....if you dont feel like it....finding a used engine mite be the answer. DIY is defenatly the way to go...forget about those 700$ mecanics
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Post by DBA on May 4, 2004 6:47:58 GMT -5
If you don't have a service manual I can also post you some directions on removing the engine.
In germany Justy engines are on ebay often - have you checked that?
What did they say has to be replaced?
Greetings, Klaus
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Post by JLantz on May 4, 2004 9:25:17 GMT -5
Yeah, what did the dealer say is wrong with it? If you do sell it, neuspeed, I'll by that subwoofer from you.
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Post by Neuspeed94 on May 4, 2004 10:00:39 GMT -5
They said that one of my rod bearings has gone out. That the tapping sound I hear is probably the piston hitting the head. The parts they said I would need are the engine gaskets, piston rings(for that one piston), a new piston, 3 new rods, 3 new mains, and a new chain.
these amount to $708.45 The gasket set is the killer at $309.77
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Post by JLantz on May 4, 2004 11:52:07 GMT -5
PROBABLY? they couldn't tell you excatly what was wrong? A piston hitting a cylinder head wouldn't make a thin sheet metal rattle sound as you described in the other thread. Doesn't a rod bearing sound more dull thudish and is louder when the car is first started (before oil pressure has built up- I experience this). Also, my car currently makes rattle noise from the distributor housing, the oil pump when it cavitates, and the exhaust. I still suggest you do your own investigating with a mechanics stethascope.
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Post by Neuspeed94 on May 4, 2004 12:34:02 GMT -5
PROBABLY? they couldn't tell you excatly what was wrong? A piston hitting a cylinder head wouldn't make a thin sheet metal rattle sound as you described in the other thread. Doesn't a rod bearing sound more dull thudish and is louder when the car is first started (before oil pressure has built up- I experience this). Also, my car currently makes rattle noise from the distributor housing, the oil pump when it cavitates, and the exhaust. I still suggest you do your own investigating with a mechanics stethascope. Where can I get a mechanics stethascope?
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Post by JLantz on May 4, 2004 13:13:37 GMT -5
At an autoparts store. The ear part looks like a doctor's stethascope, but the probe is an aluminum rod. It should be less than $10. Poke around at different parts of the engine while you play with the throttle. If it is a piston hitting the cyl head like your Subaru mechanic says, you should here it more when you probe the side of the cylinder of the rod he says is bad. Check out the Justy Valve Adjustment thread in the engine mods section (whoops- an issue not a mod).
Have you checked the bolts that hold the exhaust manifold heat shields on? I still think your exhaust system is making noise from the description you gave (a rock in a tin can).
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Post by Neuspeed94 on May 4, 2004 13:34:04 GMT -5
yeah, I checked all of the exhaust parts and I did find 1 missing bolt. I replaced it but it still makes the rattle. I am going to use the stethascope tonight and I will post where it is coming from. I hope the dealership was lying to me and that it is just something minor.
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Post by DoItSidewayz on May 4, 2004 16:19:39 GMT -5
there is NO WAY the piston is hitting the head.
the engine that is in my car, had rod bearing gone. they definately didn't hit the head...the pistons were perfect.
Either find a used engine. or rebuild the motor yourself. it's a good place to learn..it's basically idiot proof
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Post by Justyracer on May 4, 2004 18:55:28 GMT -5
i have seen a head that have been hit by a piston....but it was almost not noticable and did not change anything for the rebuilt. if its still doing a small nose i would be suprise that the piston is damage... once it really made lots of noise...everything but the heaf was farcle...i ad to bore the cyclinder... BTW...its a very good time to have your engine balanced a otter good place to get a quote would be to go a a motor rebuilt shop. they will tell you the exat situation.
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Post by Neuspeed94 on May 5, 2004 8:32:30 GMT -5
well, I can't tell if they piston is hitting the head, but I am hoping it isn't because I am not going to replace the piston. The sound is definetely coming from the farthest left cylinder though. My stepfather had a great idea though. If we take off the oil pan, we should be able to access the rod bearings from there. This would save us from having to open the motor and would end up costing us only around $70. I sure hope he is right. But while the oil will be drained, I was thinking of getting a new oil pump and doing that mod you guys were talking about to prevent this from happening again. Did you guys ever make up a diagram or anything of exactly how to modify the oil pump?
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Post by JLantz on May 5, 2004 9:22:23 GMT -5
If its coming from the left side of the car (rear) of the engine, check the area where the distributor enters the head with your stethescope. If your distributor's bushings are worn it would make a rattle at different rpm's from that area. Did this noise just all of a sudden start or has it been there all along and now gotten louder? I'm planning on doing the oil pump mod I suggested later this summer; I'll update soon in that thread.
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Post by Neuspeed94 on May 5, 2004 11:31:05 GMT -5
It just started making the noise all of the sudden after I got back from a 140 mile highway trip. So what ever is causing the noise, blew immediately. How can I tell if the distributer bushings are worn?
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Post by JLantz on May 5, 2004 11:54:58 GMT -5
Did the noise start on the highway or the next time you started it up after the trip?
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Post by Neuspeed94 on May 5, 2004 12:59:41 GMT -5
Well, when I was halfway through the trip I stopped at a gas station and it was not making the sound. When I started the car up to leave the rest stop it wasn't making the sound either. I am not sure exactly when during the return trip it started making the sound because I couldn't hear much over the wind noise(was a very windy day), but I did notice it immediately when I got off the highway on my exit. From the exit til I got to my house it was making the sound and the car hadn't been turned off since the rest stop mentioned above. Since then it has done it.
But the performance of the car doesn't seem to be affected at all. It seems to have the same power and characteristics that it has always has had. That's why suspect that the piston or the piston rings are not damaged.
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Post by DBA on May 6, 2004 4:58:32 GMT -5
@neuspeed:
Be aware that you cannot pull out a piston and stick it in again without special tools.
CU, Klaus
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