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Post by madfaber on Aug 27, 2010 10:52:28 GMT -5
So i have a worn out conical bearing or spring bearing( for the front hub), i have heard them called a couple different things on here, but all the part numbers that people suggest on the different threads i can not find at any parts store,NAPA, Orielly,Autozone,Champion, eBAy, none of them have the it. its seems the posts with the part numbers ar fairly recent so i was wondering if anyone has bought one of these in the last year and where?
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Post by RedRooJusty on Aug 28, 2010 0:50:22 GMT -5
** madfaber**, welcome to these boards. I would suggest just buying the spindle kit (#'s 1, 2, 3, 4 in the gen2 illustration), but if you have to get by, just purchase the center spacer (#4 in the gen2 illustration). The castle nut for a gen2 front axle gets 145ft-lbs of torque. You should be able to search by part number: ----(update, these part numbers are for 1990~1994 year justy's)---- Dorman spindle nut kit Part Number: 05135O'reilly $? listed but no price Rock Auto $7.65 Dorman center spacer / retainer Part Number: 615-161O'reilly $6.99 (for a box of four, call them for individual pricing) Rock Auto $1.21 -hope this helps -RRJ
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Post by madfaber on Aug 28, 2010 19:54:00 GMT -5
Great! Sorry forgot to mention mine is a 88 4x4, will those part numbers work with a 88, the part I need is 4 in the diagram.thanks much for the info by the way
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Post by RedRooJusty on Aug 29, 2010 0:09:37 GMT -5
** madfaber**, Updated part numbers for the 88 4x4. On the 88' 4wd, all four axles gets 108ft-lbs of torque on the castle nut. Dorman spindle nut kit Part Number: 05136
Dorman center spacer / retainer Part Number: 615-162
-RRJ
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Post by madfaber on Aug 31, 2010 12:46:41 GMT -5
crap i already ordered the other ones! o well we can see how much different they are for future referance it was only 10$ shipped, thanks for the info!
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Post by madfaber on Sept 3, 2010 12:00:04 GMT -5
just an up date i ordered both kits just to make sure i got the right one and so i could compare the center cone spacer, so if any one needs one i will probably have an extra!
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Post by eporter123 on Nov 21, 2010 19:53:30 GMT -5
So, I just found out that my pass. side has NO conical spring. Sure, there's a washer there, but it's not conical. I bought the Justy 3 years and 20,000 miles ago. With a new axle on that side. Guess they didn't use the right washer... And....drumroll.... yep, you got it! The hub splines are worn into peaks!
Good hub splines look like this: \_/
Bad, worn hub splines don't have the flat: V =BAD
Fortunately I used my spare hub. Seems Ferox has all the other Portland-area Justy hubs!
It seems the axle splines are worn, too. Guess it's new axle time...
I had some extra junkyard spacers and conical springs that looked pretty good, so I put those in there for the time being.
Oh, and it gets better. I went to torque the castle nut, and my craftsman click torque wrench handle just started spinning. Which means a couple nuts are loose and so it all needs to be calibrated.
I will now be driving the Land Cruiser for a couple weeks. Hey, 14-15 mpg isn't so bad?
Question is, should I put a new kit in and torque it all down, or will the play in the axle splines only destroy my good-condition hub?
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Post by eporter123 on Nov 21, 2010 20:24:02 GMT -5
Anyone know the torque on the hub to brake disc bolts at the upper left of the image? I looked everywhere in my factory manual with no luck.
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Post by RedRooJusty on Nov 21, 2010 21:51:37 GMT -5
**eporter123**, I cannot find the Justy hub spec. I find the Loyale and Brat share 36~51ft-lbs spec for this hub to rotor bolt, the design is very similar and the loyale bolt is the same size.
-hope this can help
-RRJ
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Post by eporter123 on Nov 21, 2010 22:09:27 GMT -5
Ok, I think I've got the spindle kits figured out for Gen II: Dorman 05135-Front 4WD Dorman 05136-Rear 4WD www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1269200,parttype,1932 I will be ordering some of these. I asked my local subaru parts guy to order a couple kits a month ago, but haven't heard anything. They don't really care about the Justy at Wentworth Subaru. Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2010 18:23:39 GMT -5
So, I just found out that my pass. side has NO conical spring. Sure, there's a washer there, but it's not conical. I bought the Justy 3 years and 20,000 miles ago. With a new axle on that side. Guess they didn't use the right washer... And....drumroll.... yep, you got it! The hub splines are worn into peaks! Good hub splines look like this: \_/ Bad, worn hub splines don't have the flat: V =BAD Fortunately I used my spare hub. Seems Ferox has all the other Portland-area Justy hubs! It seems the axle splines are worn, too. Guess it's new axle time... I had some extra junkyard spacers and conical springs that looked pretty good, so I put those in there for the time being. Oh, and it gets better. I went to torque the castle nut, and my craftsman click torque wrench handle just started spinning. Which means a couple nuts are loose and so it all needs to be calibrated. I will now be driving the Land Cruiser for a couple weeks. Hey, 14-15 mpg isn't so bad? Question is, should I put a new kit in and torque it all down, or will the play in the axle splines only destroy my good-condition hub? I have similar questions on the '91 4x4 GL. I fought with that car regularly since 2006 till I sold it in 2008 replacing axles and such. At this time I was just taking it a shop that I trusted, and having them troubleshoot the issues. They put 5 sets of axles on the car (yes, five sets) saying that after they installed the axles, there would still be the "crack-crack-crack" noise which I just heard today driving the car back from the alignment shop. My suspicion is that the axles are fine, but there is a problem with the hub/spindle/axle splines or maybe even this hardware. We did the brakes on this car not too long ago and I noticed when torquing the driver's side, the cone-shaped spacer did not push inward nor together as the nut was tightened. I ordered #1-4 new from Subaru last week, but if the splines are messed up too I am going to bite the bullet and replace everything (both axles, both hubs, all spindle hardware. Just tired of messing with it - it's been many years of work and it's exactly the same today as when I saw a torn axle boot back in 2006 and thought "I might as well just have the axles replaced given the age of the car..."
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Post by eporter123 on Nov 24, 2010 0:36:10 GMT -5
I'm having the cracking-CV noise too. I'm going to put new spindle kits on BOTH sides. I think it's worth the $18 in parts before I start chasing axles! I'm still concerned about the pass. side axle spline wear, I think that needs to be replaced, but maybe it'll tighten up with the new spindle kit on there.
I'm considering paying a shop to do the CV, just so that THEY can go through the pleasure of "fixing" the noise by going through different axles!
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Post by RedRooJusty on Nov 24, 2010 16:31:15 GMT -5
**eporter123**, Yes definitely install the new spindle kits. I am happy to assist you in finding any further noises from the axles, just PM me and I'll make time to help you. Take it easy on reverse till you replace the axle and hub though, and expect to again replace the center spacer with the new axle.
I wore through 2 new center spacers (over many months) before replacing the axle + hub + spindle kit (together). The thin axle splines you describe allow the axle to move within the hub. I would also hear and feel a "clunk" when transitioning from reverse to first gear, as the axle would rotate within the hub till it found the other face of the remaining splines. Essentially the slop allowed by the thin splines, combined with the high torque on the spindle kit, can grind down a new center spacer quite quickly.
(now the embarrassing embellishment..........) Before I replaced the hub and axle, I got into a daily routine of checking the cotter pin on the bad (thin spline) axle. I added spare center spacers, cotter pins, and a torque wrench (+socket) to my in-car tool box. I admit that I expected the axle to give out, but drove it for months anyway believing I could limp a stripped front axle home in 4wd (or pull out the AAA tow card).
**wombatsauce**, I believe that a good number of mechanics do not realize the importance of the center spacer in the Justy hub/spindle design. I find this reported on other Subaru forums as well, where axles have been replaced by a non-subaru mechanic that did not know to replace the center spacers upon re-assembly leading to early failure of the new axle.
-RRJ
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Post by coondog on Sept 20, 2015 20:37:23 GMT -5
Hey does anyone know the part number to the bearing spacer labeled as #10 in this diagram? I made one for my car and made it 12.4mm thick, but apparently it was too thick because the bearings wore out in a few thousand miles. I took the spindle and measured it to be 11.5mm distance between the two bearings when pressed in, and planned on having one made by a machinist if I can't find the part
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