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Post by imaginarius on Jan 24, 2010 16:59:27 GMT -5
Still not sure. When it stops raining, I will look more into it, as well as getting those nozzles done. But these, I now really looked and sure enough, the front right wheel has some serious toe-out...or, depending on which way you are pointing the wheels... Anyhow, this is the driver's side one, as you can see it is attached by that rod, and it is relatively loose. So...this is a start, when the sun comes out I can take better snaps(and actually at my house).
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Post by nipper on Jan 24, 2010 17:08:27 GMT -5
Where is your sway bar?Also that bracket supporting that clamp is supposed to be straight!
What in heck did you hit?
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Post by imaginarius on Jan 24, 2010 17:25:02 GMT -5
I have never hit anything, except for that Focus, but this has been like this since I had it. Jesse says it was like that too, he could never figure it out. So that is where a sway bar is supposed to be, huh...
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Post by hollandjusty on Jan 24, 2010 18:17:19 GMT -5
That used to hold your swaybar
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Post by imaginarius on Jan 24, 2010 18:30:59 GMT -5
Great. The one thing I am always overlooking. Well. Where can I get one?
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Post by nipper on Jan 24, 2010 23:49:26 GMT -5
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Post by RedRooJusty on Jan 25, 2010 1:24:37 GMT -5
Salvage lot would be your best bet, or one of these forum members might have the whole assembly (mounts + bar + bushings) they might part with.
-RRJ
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Post by indkid87 on Jan 25, 2010 15:50:39 GMT -5
You don't really need one I run without mine all the time.
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Post by imaginarius on Jan 25, 2010 17:26:30 GMT -5
Not having a sway bar is probably the reason why my car shakes when i brake down a hill. It's also probably the reason my right wheel has such serious toe-out. Because its a bald 8k mile tire.
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Post by onsk8 on Jan 25, 2010 17:41:35 GMT -5
Not having a sway bar wont contribute to those problems you listed. Toe out just needs an alignment and car shaking when braking is probably brakes. Most likely warped rotor.
I also run without a front sway. It helps with the sidewaysness.
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Post by RedRooJusty on Jan 25, 2010 19:30:11 GMT -5
For most daily commuting the front sway bar will not offer much gain, till you need to quickly avoid a deer or some other maneuvering at speed; That is when the sway bar helps by lowering the center of gravity (avoiding roll over) and limiting under-steer.
True the car will/can drive without it, but the design engineers incorporated it to an otherwise cost reduced car for a reason.
-I say the narrow + short Justy wheel base needs all the help it can get. -RRJ
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Post by streetruler on Jan 26, 2010 0:21:58 GMT -5
redroo...you;re wrong.
sorry buddy. afront sway bar INCREASES UNDERSTEER. think of it this way, the stiffer the suspension the faster that end of the car will break traction. if you are missing the front sway bar you are either increasing OVERSTEER or decreasing understeer.
as for getting a sway bar, you need end links, mounts and bushings too. that suspension looks like someone caught it on a rock, destroyed it, and just pulled it off of there. like people said, its ok to drive but once you put one on you'll see the difference.
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Post by DrewNukesEm on Jan 26, 2010 0:46:35 GMT -5
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Post by RedRooJusty on Jan 26, 2010 3:10:01 GMT -5
**streetruler** limiting the under-steer does not infer Increase or Decrease, it refers to having it in control. With the sway bar you control the sprung weight of the vehicle from roll. This helps keep the camber of the front wheel facing the turn true leaving more of the tire contact patch in traction. I believe we are in agreement.
**DrewNukesEm**, love the skateboard bushings (plus the dog working the jack). Those will likely hold up better than the stock rubber. -RRJ
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Post by mhuk on Jan 26, 2010 4:04:39 GMT -5
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Post by madmatt on Jan 26, 2010 13:02:05 GMT -5
Imaginarius
I think you have a lot of front end issues you need to deal with. Weren't you having problems with nuts striping and wheel bearings? The shaking you mention is likely a braking issue (as said by onsk8), and the toe issue probably has something to do with the what ever event caused the damaged (and subsequently removed) swaybar.
Problems not dealt with tend to find a way of costing you more money elsewhere. If you are shuddering under braking that vibration is wreaking havoc on other parts (such as wheel bearings, axles, tie-rod ends, spindle ends, bushings, struts, strut top mounts, I could go on).
Get that thing sorted so you can brake smoothly, not wear tires (as that means extra load is being put on suspension parts, wheel bearings, tie rod ends... ) You'll be happier and safer.
Matt
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Post by nipper on Jan 26, 2010 13:07:43 GMT -5
Inspect the entire underbody of the car, as sway bars dont just fall off cars.
nipper
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Post by indkid87 on Jan 28, 2010 16:47:00 GMT -5
Check the bushings for the front strut rods ( there connected next to the front tow hooks and they stop the wheel from moving forwards and backwards. This could be part of you shuddering mine where so worn out that the tire would rub inside the fender under hard braking.
And as for why the engineers fitted such a beefy front sway, it was to counteract the oversteer that occurs when you have a car that sends half its power to the rear wheels in 4wd. Think of it as idiot proofing. So if your able to mantain control of your vehical unlike 90% of the drivers out there you'll be fine without it.
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Post by indkid87 on Jan 28, 2010 16:51:19 GMT -5
Oh and nippers right it looks like your sway was ripped off rather violently I'd inspect the whole underside of the car for damage and most likely caused you toe angle problem. An alignment should fix that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2010 21:34:23 GMT -5
Inspect the entire underbody of the car, as sway bars dont just fall off cars. nipper Inspired by Lowryde's mod, I beefed up this portion of my Justy, and when I took off the large grey brackets that the bent part on your car bolts into (see Drew's photos) I discovered that they were both cracked(!). The brackets are pretty major parts of the suspension and probably do a lot to stiffen the front end. The front tension rod, bolts to them as well as the front anti-sway bar. I was going to do an advisory write-up on it, but I did not find the time. I may have taken some photos though, so if I find them I will post them. My sway bar mounts were undamaged and I had cracked brackets, so it stands to reason that yours may be too.
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