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Post by streetruler on Oct 22, 2009 14:57:39 GMT -5
the rear passenger side wheel on my 89 4x4 5spd seems strangely forward in comparison to the other side.
is there a way to adjust caster in the rear or is it fixed?
and what other than massive impact in the rear could cause that? there are no signs this car has ever been hit.
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SeattleJusty
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Post by SeattleJusty on Oct 22, 2009 16:43:53 GMT -5
the rear passenger side wheel on my 89 4x4 5spd seems strangely forward in comparison to the other side. is there a way to adjust caster in the rear or is it fixed? and what other than massive impact in the rear could cause that? there are no signs this car has ever been hit. I thought caster was the pitch of the axis on which a wheel rotates when turning left or turning right. Can you explain in more detail the situation, please?
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Post by streetruler on Oct 22, 2009 18:05:41 GMT -5
caster not only affects under turning.
when standing at the side of the car (broadside) the pass rear tire is further towards the front of the car than the other if you compare the tire clearance to the wheel well body work.
taking out some caster out of the rear will pull the wheel further back towards the rear....if its adjustable. alot of times its only adjustable in the front of the car
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Post by streetruler on Oct 22, 2009 18:06:02 GMT -5
what imr eally after is, are camber, caster and toe adjustable in the rear or is it toe only or what
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Post by SeattleJusty on Oct 22, 2009 22:58:47 GMT -5
what imr eally after is, are camber, caster and toe adjustable in the rear or is it toe only or what OK well your out of place rear wheel is definitely not a caster problem then. Not only is caster a front-only thing unless you have some exotic 4-wheel-steering car, the Justy has no adjustment for caster. In fact the Justy has no adjustment of camber either. <a href="http://s765.photobucket.com/albums/xx296/SeattleJusty/?action=view¤t=front1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx296/SeattleJusty/front1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>[/img] More can be read about it hereMaybe you broke something when you were bored driving your Justy and did one of those e-brake turns.
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Post by streetruler on Oct 23, 2009 10:42:13 GMT -5
the cage? actually i got hurt a bit ago and stopped just about every project i had. took on little ones but couldnt be crawling around welding and such.
im wondering if i have a gad body mount or something on the car. i should check those. if thats the case it would explain the odd steering i sometimes feel coming from the rear as if its just ever so slightly walking around.
as a side note, my prelude was 4 wheel steering. really wicked fun car
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Post by RedRooJusty on Oct 24, 2009 12:03:13 GMT -5
Just to point out from SeattleJusty's pictures is says only front toe-in is adjustable (by the steering links).
I had the opportunity to drive an 4 wheel steering prelude as well; what a cool system that was. I even know a fella that modified the rear steering controller so he could give it "manual" input when racing on the track.
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Post by kulyan on Nov 2, 2009 2:31:11 GMT -5
what imr eally after is, are camber, caster and toe adjustable in the rear or is it toe only or what Nothing is easily adjustable; there is an eccentric bushing at front of each trailing arm but they seem locked in place. If you really want a Toe adjustment, plates can be welded to give room for spacers and adjustment of control arms Camber can be adjusted by replacing the poor top rubber mounts with something,,, better. Show us some pics of your justy someday, how's the cage commin'? stacks You there welded what plate? It is possible to photograph or draw is better? Thanks. Kulyan.
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Post by streetruler on Nov 2, 2009 9:51:30 GMT -5
the 4ws is super cool. nothing like it in the world. i had a full suspension on the car, custom wound springs that were perfect and the 4ws was incredable. the car seemed to "slither" along and never pushed, never oversteered, it was always right there.
in a tight corner you could get enough rear imput that it felt like you were running a slight angle but always had traction. if iever buy another prelude it will be a 4ws one.
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Post by streetruler on Nov 6, 2009 0:19:39 GMT -5
STACKS: you asked for a photo and i havent taken one yuet but i came across this from redroo....so i stole it. sorry redroo 4.bp.blogspot.com/_liiEW-Ym6cQ/SpIG1XvC9bI/AAAAAAAAADs/rdViK97TW9E/s1600-h/gear_oil_day.jpgnotice how the rear wheel seems oddly foreward in the wheel well? disregard that the suspension is at full droop for a min. mine looks like that when the car is comfortably sitting on the ground. the wheel is really far to the front of the wheel well in both wheels in th rear. one seems a little worse than the other. makes me wonder if my body mounts are good or if something has gotten knocked around. but its odd that if they were struck by something that they would get pushed foreward.
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Post by streetruler on Nov 6, 2009 0:21:43 GMT -5
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Post by RedRooJusty on Nov 6, 2009 2:23:29 GMT -5
**streetruler** no worries, to be fair these pics are public on my blog. Here is both sides: 1.bp.blogspot.com/_liiEW-Ym6cQ/SufI82-MEzI/AAAAAAAAAFU/g4Mb5dKllNg/s1600-h/100_7143.JPG1.bp.blogspot.com/_liiEW-Ym6cQ/SvPEEfaamNI/AAAAAAAAAG0/ptmIlSdCzLk/s1600-h/100_7144.JPGMan I need to paint those wheels both are the same. . . . If one of your rear wheels is farther back than the other, maybe the one farther back is the damaged one. I have been a touch puzzled by the forward appearance as well, but the OEM rear suspension is in great shape. The rubber in the link-ends will have to be replaced due to age alone. The rear wheels appear to not be centered in the wheel well though(-don't know if this is right). I am also running the +1 diameter +1 width 175/70R13 tire. It would seem that the geometry of the rear trailing arm is a sub-compact "short radius" as well, meaning that the wheel will move toward the rear bumper mid-stroke and then tuck back forward again as you reach the top stop in compression. -not really surprised. I bet there is room to move the rear wheel further rearward by giving it a longer trailing arm (actually just weld in more length into the OEM). I believe this will require a bit of toe correction as well, this also could be done in the trailing arm. The cool thing is that it really will have no effect on the camber. For my machine I was just going to widen all four of the fender flairs, and shave down the inter-well plastic to get rid of the rub. Plus I am looking to stiffen the springs (probably replace with stronger springs - still researching) and replace the dampers (just new OEM front and beefier rear). -just thoughts and a Justy thingI am not saying "do" I just find this interesting and feel free to share ideas.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Nov 6, 2009 13:51:28 GMT -5
I think Streetruler lives up in my neck of the woods actually. You'd think NorthWest cars would rust badly with the every-other-day-precipitation we get but they don't. We don't salt our roads.
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Post by streetruler on Nov 6, 2009 19:57:33 GMT -5
yah im in seattle actually. and SJ is right....no salt on the roads=no rust. which is actually nice.
i was in hawaii not too long ago and was stunned to see a classic muscle car. thought it must have been shipped over cause any old car like that youd figure the salt water would have gotten it.
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