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Post by justymagine on Oct 11, 2009 4:50:20 GMT -5
alright I got a 1990 1.2l 4wd justy. its my second and don't plan on having any other car or truck for that matter. but as most other justy owners are aware at 80,000 miles and driving up and down mountains in the snow all winter. my shocks are just about dead. whats the best shock (best as in easiest, cheapest, quality) to replace all four. nothing crazy rally styles, i dont wanna get out the wire fed. just maybe one step above stock. either new, junk yard, whatever. i live in seattle any help much appreciated.
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Post by Raw Justyce! on Oct 11, 2009 5:58:23 GMT -5
I would just go into Schwabs and see what they have in the way of aftermarket off road shocks. My personal favorite will always be bilsteins. Had a set of 5150's on my bug, and couldn't ask for better, but as you said: Nothing crazy. Off road stuff has always been my favorite way to go because of the higher durability, and they're usually built to withstand more frequent cycling which is a plus. If you're looking for something with the street in mind (as opposed to another harsh winter, and snowy roads) then disregard everything I said because I don't know anything about on road suspension haha.
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Post by justymagine on Oct 11, 2009 14:30:28 GMT -5
much appreciated! thanks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 23:41:00 GMT -5
Thing is, no one is going to have something "on the shelf" that's going to bolt onto a Justy. I have a set of front/rear struts on the way to me that I am going to attempt to use to find a viable solution for us, but I do not know what (if anything) I will come up with. The solution may end up too costly for the average Justy fan.
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Post by Raw Justyce! on Oct 12, 2009 1:36:40 GMT -5
Wombat: What do you mean by too costly?
Does anyone think it'd be possible to relocate your shock towers either by leaning them slightly to increase travel capacity, or by raising them? I know you said you don't want to bust out the welder justymagine, but I'm getting curious now. Sounds like I'll be under my car after class tomorrow!
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Post by Raw Justyce! on Oct 12, 2009 22:07:12 GMT -5
Hahah so I pulled into the shop when I go thome, and put my justy up and started snooping. Gotta give them credit for best use of space. Doesn't look like using longer shocks would be a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2009 3:06:16 GMT -5
What I mean is, I will be looking for inserts that fit inside the stock Justy cartridges first since I do not believe there is any "off the shelf" strut that will work for the front or the rear. The last set of cartridges I bought were Koni yellow adjustables for my MR2 and they were around $800 for the set. That is just the damper portion, still need springs if ride height needs to change. I am crossing my fingers that there will be a KYB insert we can use since they are FAR more cost effective (the last ones I got for my Celica were $50 each), and I am not sure the Justy needs Koni Yellows. If I cannot find anything that will work for cheap, it could be expensive. I am seeking an adjustable (height) suspension for my DL and so far the parts add up to nearly $1400 if I go the Ground Control/Koni route that I am taking with my Impreza. With the Justy, it's trailblazin... I am definitely on the lookout for used parts, but the adjustable spring perches for the rear are $200 alone! They are for a BMW E46 M3 so I am not surprised but durn it.
The best thing would be to find a simple "strut replacement" solution - shooting to keep this under $200-$300, and then an adjustable solution for those of us that want that sort of thing.
Anyway, I am going to take the struts around to a couple suspension folks I have talked to and see what we can come up with.
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Post by Raw Justyce! on Oct 13, 2009 17:13:26 GMT -5
Wow yeah I can see what you mean now haha. The more I look at working on strengthening my car, the more money I see slipping away in the future haha.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2009 21:35:21 GMT -5
I hope you find something. Coal and I spent a lot of time in a junk yard trying to find something from another car to no avail. The rear struts can be adapted to another type of mount pretty easily, but the fronts are a different story. When the time comes for the rears I am basically going to weld a shock mount stud on to a think chunk of plate steel with two holes drilled through it. That will bolt into the hub assembly where the lower strut attaches. The lower shock mount will then just require a single eyelet type shock. Then it's just a matter of choosing which shock you want, in the right size.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2009 10:25:43 GMT -5
You are spot on - I have seen rear struts for cars - like the '88-'91 Honda Civic hatch for example - where you could cut off the eye-mount at the bottom and weld on a similar mount with the same bolt spacing on the bottom - you have a lot of leeway there due to the design, the strut can be hard mounted to the hub nearly anywhere up/down in that bracket so that is cool. Only other issue is the top-hat but that doesn't seem like it will be too hard. The front is another story, however if you look at the strut body it is just a standard strut with some weird brackets welded on it. If the Koni insert size fits inside, done and done because the bottom is accessible. Drill a hole, secure your screw in the bottom and then figure out where to cut the sleeve. Again, the top-hat will be an issue and it depends greatly on the body diameter but as you can see I have high hopes. MR2's are similar in weight, Civics, there are a few others. I may have found a "suspension genius" who works at a place that specializes in custom suspension applications, shock dynos, Koni and other rebuilds, so again, I have high hopes. Best outcome would be an adjustable/fun setup and an economical "replacement setup" even if that means me at the machine shop modifying a pile of top-hats for folks.
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