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Post by imaginarius on Apr 6, 2009 10:37:49 GMT -5
I have a 91 1.8l, 1800cc ECVT, and I want to put a small turbo in it, just so I can maybe, just maybe, beat a loaded semi up a hill, but seriously, I can't take only 73 horseys, so is it possible? I mean, what's the cheapest, easiest way? And I don't need anything Rabbit-killer spec or anything, just so I can make it up hill quicker then 40 mph...
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Post by SeattleJusty on Apr 6, 2009 12:10:13 GMT -5
imaginarious, if you did have a Justy with a 1.8 liter engine, you would have a Rabbit killer. If you own a 1991 Justy then you have the same 1190cc engine that all classic Justys have. There are no kits for Justys. No kits for anything Justy, if you want to go fast you can buy a Golf or you can hang out here, do a shit load of homework and build yourself a fast Justy. Be prepared to spend a lot of money, even more time and a few bloody knuckles.
A) welcome aboard
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B) how's that Golf sounding?
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Post by imaginarius on Apr 6, 2009 12:32:38 GMT -5
I'll take answer "A", Bob! I only paid 400 clams for it, might as well head to my local junkyard and tweek it about...ok, so other than a turbo, what the hell else can I do?
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Post by SeattleJusty on Apr 6, 2009 17:33:57 GMT -5
1st thing you can do is replace the fuel filter. Most Justys have this service item neglected and just replacing it makes your car feel 1 second faster. The filter on your car if fuel injected, will be a black metal canister located under the car in a cavity between the driver's side door and the fuel tank. If your car is carbureted then your filter will be plastic and mounted to the backside of a skidplate in the same location. Here is a link to a thread where I describe in detail, how to do this without burning your face, hands or house!!! subarujusty.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=engine&thread=1150&page=1 Good luck
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Post by imaginarius on Apr 6, 2009 19:54:26 GMT -5
well, the thing is, the engine is 2 months rebuilt, so...I mean, it's great on flat, but up that hill, that mother just OWNS me, I mean I start in 3rd and after about 15 seconds, I'm at almost 4500rpms, and in this car, that's like "rreeeeee", and I'm only doing somewhere between 38 and 42, if I head into 4th, my mph drops like a rock. It's HORRIBLE!!
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Post by SeattleJusty on Apr 6, 2009 20:02:00 GMT -5
well, the thing is, the engine is 2 months rebuilt, so...I mean, it's great on flat, but up that hill, that mother just OWNS me, I mean I start in 3rd and after about 15 seconds, I'm at almost 4500rpms, and in this car, that's like "rreeeeee", and I'm only doing somewhere between 38 and 42, if I head into 4th, my mph drops like a rock. It's HORRIBLE!! Yeah yeah yeah, I know, replace the fuel filter! Just because somebody says they rebuilt the engine, it has nothing to do with the fuel filter. Do you know how far way the engine is from the filter? Four feet! Next up is to tune the engine. This will involve replacing any old or uncertain ignition items and setting them according to the specifications in your owners manual or repair guide. If you don't have one of these then I am sure the members of this forum will be happy to provide you with the data. You could have a multitude of things that are out of whack. You could have a faltering O2 sensor, a stuck PCV valve, hell you might even be low on blinker fluid! Have you checked your McKenzie-rods? Stacks, get this man a 3-foot board stretcher, quick! ;D Point, is, you don't know what you don't know and it sounds like you need to take that etch-a-sketch, turn it upside down and shake it really hard.
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Post by imaginarius on Apr 6, 2009 20:12:05 GMT -5
Alright alright hahahaha McKenzie rods?? Ok, ok, I'll check that shit out, and yes I would need a guide, it will hold me off till I get a Haynes
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Post by imaginarius on Apr 6, 2009 20:18:42 GMT -5
and by the way, youtube is infested with turbo justys, so is that really just extreme modification to do that? cuz I could swear some are stock..
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Post by SeattleJusty on Apr 6, 2009 20:34:51 GMT -5
I was just kidding about the McKenzie rod, those don't exist. Bad news on the Haynes<--- they don't exist. What you have are two choices; factory shop manuals which are good or Chiltons which are crap. The other alternative is to get one of those CD-ROMs from eBay. I have one and they're pretty good but no substitute for an actual factory manual. All of those Justy's are custom. There were no turbo J10s or J12s (classic Justys 1984-1994) One of these days I will make a master list of all the basics that newbs need to know like: Boxer engines won't fit into a Justy There were never any factory turbocharged Justys. There are no "AWD" classic Justys. They are either FWD or 4X4. All Justys have a 5-speed or continous-velocity-automatic (neverending-speed) The tallest tire you can fit to a Justy is 22.7" There were no options for power steering or power windows. More later
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Post by imaginarius on Apr 6, 2009 21:26:40 GMT -5
ok, so I would have to get ahold of Suby somehow to get one of those manuals, or does that come with the car? And I know that there were no classic turbo justys, but i just wanna know is how complicated would it be to put one in, I mean, like a dedicated day project, or a month long bloody knuckle fest...
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Post by SeattleJusty on Apr 6, 2009 21:38:20 GMT -5
ok, so I would have to get ahold of Suby somehow to get one of those manuals, or does that come with the car? And I know that there were no classic turbo justys, but i just wanna know is how complicated would it be to put one in, I mean, like a dedicated day project, or a month long bloody knuckle fest... get on eBay and look every day. I have 4 guides for various years (no I'm not selling any) and I got them on from eBay. Adding a turbo to the Justy is like any other backyard turbo. Plan on this taking months and requiring the use of a welder most likely. Peruse the forum and look at other peoples' turbo projects. They should give you some idea of what they are up against. I might suggest buying a book on turbocharging & supercharging. Just because you hear something on the internet doesn't mean it is a great idea and that goes for all of the internet<---even this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 22:40:48 GMT -5
i just wanna know is how complicated would it be to put one in, I mean, like a dedicated day project, or a month long bloody knuckle fest... Check out the turbo work some of the other members have done. They are awesome, but just understand these guys have mad skills and it still took them a while. Do you have mad skills? If not, I would suggest talking to subyswamper about some head and cam mods. Also, I trust the judgement of the people that have done these turbo mods, but understand that the rest of the Justy is still made of miniature parts. Boosting up the power of the engine without dealing with the other control systems could cause problems or constitute Justy abuse. The majority of the people on this forum are not down with Justy abuse, but you make your own decisions. I am not criticizing you, but if you don't already possess the skills to know the feasibility of a Justy turbo project, then I think you are talking about a month long bloody knuckle fest at the very least. Where are you located? Most likely you just need some other parts of your car tuned or refurbished to get some better performance. How's that fuel filter coming along?
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Post by imaginarius on Apr 6, 2009 23:11:44 GMT -5
I am in Eugene, OR(on a side note, Bremerton is my hometown), so...anyways I am going to break it down real simple: I just want something small(turbo preferred), I mean SMALL, JUST so I can make this hill at 55, not 35. And a welder? I know merely installing a SMALL turbo is no easy task, but I took auto shop in high school(by the way, I'm 26 and I regret not "staying with the program"), and....a welder? And what I mean by small, I mean is there such a thing as a physically small turbo that I can just(figuratively speaking) nut and bolt on? It requires that much attenuation? I'm not planning on racing the damn thing anytime soon, especially with me carting around my wife and year and a half old son, so Rabbit and CRX killing is off the list.
Therefore, if a turbo is just too far out of the question, then say so. My thought about mere motor-tweeking is, is will it really add up to my needs?
And by the way, it IS 1800cc, not 1190. It's just the 5speed(manual), 2door, fuel injected Justy GL.
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Post by 89 on Apr 6, 2009 23:32:37 GMT -5
imaginarius,
What leads you to believe that the vehicle is powered by a 1.8L engine? I also noticed that your first post mentions ECVT, and last 5 Speed? Depending on your response - I might have just the place for a bolt-on turbo kit for your vehicle...
Thanks for your time answering,
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Post by imaginarius on Apr 6, 2009 23:38:19 GMT -5
Because that is what the VIN numbers read off as, Carfax(not that I care for that site) also said the same thing, look, if there is a better way of finding out, tell me and I'll check it out first thing in the morning.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Apr 6, 2009 23:57:17 GMT -5
Check out the turbo work some of the other members have done. They are awesome, but just understand these guys have mad skills and it still took them a while. Do you have mad skills? If not, I would suggest talking to subyswamper about some head and cam mods. Also, I trust the judgement of the people that have done these turbo mods, but understand that the rest of the Justy is still made of miniature parts. Boosting up the power of the engine without dealing with the other control systems could cause problems or constitute Justy abuse. The majority of the people on this forum are not down with Justy abuse, but you make your own decisions. I am not criticizing you, but if you don't already possess the skills to know the feasibility of a Justy turbo project, then I think you are talking about a month long bloody knuckle fest at the very least. Where are you located? Most likely you just need some other parts of your car tuned or refurbished to get some better performance. How's that fuel filter coming along? - Do you have mad skills? If not, I would suggest talking to subyswamper about some head and cam mods.
Word
- The majority of the people on this forum are not down with Justy abuse
What he said
- How's that fuel filter coming along?
Indeed
- especially with me carting around my wife and year and a half old son
Is this your daily driver? If so, please consider leaving your vehicle stock and staying as far away from turbos as you can
- Therefore, if a turbo is just too far out of the question, then say so.
Perhaps
- And by the way, it IS 1800cc, not 1190
Impossible
Wait, just to be sure, lemme do some quick calculations; OK, Bore times bore times stroke, multiplied by need to transport family, carry the Oregonian subtangent, plus Bremerton, minus MXPX, multiplied by number of cylinders, plus reality, minus (time)(space)(money), minus skill & tools= naaaaaaah Categorically impossible. Or at least 99% unlikely. Take a photo of your engine bay and post it here, I think there are one or two peple that can identify which engine you have.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2009 1:26:42 GMT -5
Before it starts to seem like we're really ganging up on you...a FI 5MT Justy should do better than 35 up hills especially in the Willamette Valley, so that says there is some aspect(s) of your engine (most likely) that isn't giving you optimal power. The first step in getting it to go better is to figure out what is holding it back. There are numerous places to look, and people on this board can give you a lot of help, but before you jump to turbo, you need to get to the root of the problem. How are the usual suspects: fuel filter, air filter, timing, plugs, wires, valve lash, PCV, Oxy Sensor, free flowing cat., trans. fluid level, etc...? Run some Seafoam(carried at most autoparts stores) through the gas. How's the oil pressure by-the-way? My thought about mere motor-tweeking is, is will it really add up to my needs? Quite possibly. Welcome
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Post by imaginarius on Apr 7, 2009 2:21:20 GMT -5
OK, ok, I suffered from a massive brain fart, this happens. ECVT should not have been used to describe the abbreviations on the motor, where it was telling me the proper abbreviations indicating that the motor was indeed fuel injected. Smell that? Pretty bad, like the morning after a night of chili dogs and Miller High Life.
Continuing on,
1. Now that the"gas" is somewhat out of my system, I do realize that a turbo is most likely(but not fully out of) the question. I do realize as well that by just getting my paws into that motor and investigating, I may find the reason(s) why I cannot seem to go faster than 35-40 on... 2. 30th Ave., past the Albertsons, on the way to L.C.C. If you know the Willamette Valley well, you should know this hill. As long as I drive that car, that hill owns me. 3. So, money is almost always an issue. I'm sure that while tweeking the motor about in the steps you folks have been telling me, it may be pricey, but minimal compared to putting on a turbo. While I do stick to the fact that I just want a small turbo, I am fully aware of the consequences...I am stubborn. 4. I swear on my son that that VIN AND Carfax told me it was 1.8L at 1800cc...how else can I prove this??(because now I am amusingly confused) 5. Then the old question ensues: What if...what if I do all that, and that semi still passes me going up that long...LONG hill, and laughs at me...heh ok, a little dramatic, but nonetheless...
6. And Justy abuse?? I am horrified of what I have been watching on that Satanic Youtube...although watching severely modified Justy's SLAYING WRX's is quite entertaining.
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Post by jintei on Apr 7, 2009 2:41:41 GMT -5
i'm starting to think this ''imaginarius'' member might be an invention or joke of another member playing around...... why insist on a 1.800 justy on a justy forum? phhhleese.. ;D ( maybe there's a 1.8 liter justy on the haynes manual) je je By the way, i also hate those satanic youtube videos,...... poor justys..
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Post by imaginarius on Apr 7, 2009 2:50:49 GMT -5
Oh that's just(y) cold...look, tomorrow morning, I'll do some digging and see twat I can find, ok??
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