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Post by 89 on Sept 5, 2007 21:47:31 GMT -5
Say Chaps, Anyone here have or had the auto seatbelts?? I think they were standard on '93-'94.5 JUSTYs? I a bit interested in such and the differences/mounting/etc. Hearty or pain the the arse? The ones on my former 1.3 - Ford Festiva were handy and knocked a few bucks off of my NY State insurance each month... My 1991 Ford Festiva, 1.3L - R.I.P. (Dodge Ram Dualie vs. Ford Festiva)Thanks again,
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SeattleJusty
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Post by SeattleJusty on Sept 26, 2007 12:06:17 GMT -5
I don't know anything about auto belts in any Federal spec Justy but I do know many Gen2 cars had those door mounted belts and they're absolute rubbish. I have already converted one Gen2 from door mounted belts to conventional inertia-reel belts that mount to the B-pillar. The problems with the door mounted belts are: - They stop retracting and the male end gets sandwiched between the door and the jam and fouls the interior terribly.
- The belts are electronically actuated and the sensor mechanism fails, leaving you with dangerous belts that don't tighten up or else they stay tight and won't loosen.
- They're just a nuisance the way they swing out with the door.
To convert a door mounted belt car to a standard inertia-reel seatbelt, you need to get the following things from a donor car: - The seatbelts and their hardware (bolts)
- The interior cards from a donor of the same generation/spec (Gen1 DL/GL vs Gen2 DL/GL)
- You do not need the female end of the seatbelts, just leave the ones that are bolted to your floor.
It is possible to reuse your old interior cards and to cut a notch into the card to allow the seatbelts a throughway. I did it this way and used aftermarket exterior door protection trim to fashion a tidy lip. You will have to remove the molded plastic interior pieces that join the carpet to the door sills and on GL models you will need to remove the side windows and peel back part of the window rubber. It'll all make sense when you tear into it. It helps to have an impact wrench (rattle-gun) because the bolts that secure the seatbelts are very large and very tight. Good luck
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Post by 89 on Sept 26, 2007 13:48:47 GMT -5
S, "...absolute rubbish..." -seattlejustyGood thing you don't hold grudges. [/li][li] They stop retracting and the male end gets sandwiched between the door and the jam and fouls the interior terribly. [/list][/quote] I thought the whole point of the belt system was that male end stayed joined w/ female... not sure how it would get caught in the door sill/ jamb...? 3 Bangin',
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SeattleJusty
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Post by SeattleJusty on Sept 26, 2007 23:21:55 GMT -5
OK Maybe I didn't articulate that very well. There is the male end that extends and retracts. That's the long part that you pull over yourself and snap into the female end. The female end is just a stubby that pokes up from the floor and has a release button on it. When you get out of the car, you press the button, free yourself and exit the car. At this time the male half of the seatbelt is supposed to automatically retract and tuck away...from...well, tuck away from everything really:) Let's see a showing of hands; raise your hands if you've ever had a car with tired seatbelts that didn't retract very well (or at all).... oh, let me count squint eeny, meeny, miney.......yep, that looks like exactly everyone. Everyone in the room is holding up their hands. OK so by this date, if their are any door-mounted-seatbelt-Justys that don't have a problem with lazy seat belts that won't retract, it is a friggin' miracle. In these door-mounted-seatbelt-cars, you push the button, release the belt, swing open the door, the seat belts swings out with the door, since it doesn't retract and when you slam the door shut, the swinging wrecking-ball that used to be a safety device only, now becomes a tool of destruction as it is stopped dead in its swinging tracks at the door jam where it eventually rips a nasty gouge into your interior padding.
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Post by 89 on Sept 27, 2007 9:02:33 GMT -5
Good Stuff! Heh. Heh. Thanks,
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Post by ripcuda on Dec 1, 2007 21:46:53 GMT -5
seattlejusty, You mention putting in the pillar mounted seatbelts in a car that came with the door mounted ones. My gen2 has the craptastic, barely-retracting, door-mounted belts.
Is the upper and lower mounting points (where you fasten the big bolts to) still there even on a car that didn't come with them? Hiding behind the trim?
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SeattleJusty
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Post by SeattleJusty on Dec 2, 2007 5:24:39 GMT -5
seattlejusty, You mention putting in the pillar mounted seatbelts in a car that came with the door mounted ones. My gen2 has the craptastic, barely-retracting, door-mounted belts. Is the upper and lower mounting points (where you fasten the big bolts to) still there even on a car that didn't come with them? Hiding behind the trim? Ripcuda, that is a very good question and the only correct answer is: YES! Once you peel away the molded plastic B-pillar cover and remove the thick plastic piece that covers the sills, you will see the bosses present and already tapped. You will want to punch the precut tab in the sill molding (it will make sense when you look at it) so that the seatbelts can poke through. Trust me, just tear into it and it will make perfect sense. Reread the earlier post for help. I said it before & I'll say it again; if you have access to an impact wrench (rattle-gun) be it pneumatic or electric, make good use of it because these bolts are big and have unholy amounts of torque on them.
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Post by bikkerider on Nov 29, 2009 11:14:40 GMT -5
I don't know anything about auto belts in any Federal spec Justy but I do know many Gen2 cars had those door mounted belts and they're absolute rubbish. I have already converted one Gen2 from door mounted belts to conventional inertia-reel belts that mount to the B-pillar. The problems with the door mounted belts are: - They stop retracting and the male end gets sandwiched between the door and the jam and fouls the interior terribly.
- The belts are electronically actuated and the sensor mechanism fails, leaving you with dangerous belts that don't tighten up or else they stay tight and won't loosen.
- They're just a nuisance the way they swing out with the door.
To convert a door mounted belt car to a standard inertia-reel seatbelt, you need to get the following things from a donor car: - The seatbelts and their hardware (bolts)
- The interior cards from a donor of the same generation/spec (Gen1 DL/GL vs Gen2 DL/GL)
- You do not need the female end of the seatbelts, just leave the ones that are bolted to your floor.
It is possible to reuse your old interior cards and to cut a notch into the card to allow the seatbelts a throughway. I did it this way and used aftermarket exterior door protection trim to fashion a tidy lip. You will have to remove the molded plastic interior pieces that join the carpet to the door sills and on GL models you will need to remove the side windows and peel back part of the window rubber. It'll all make sense when you tear into it. It helps to have an impact wrench (rattle-gun) because the bolts that secure the seatbelts are very large and very tight. Good luck
SeattleJusty, hoping you could help me out. I just purchased a '89 Justy, not running. The body and interior are in great shape. I have a '93 Justy in excellent condition. I purchased the '89 for parts as I need them. I was wanting to change over the seat belts between the two. I noticed that the door cards of the '89 don't cover the entire door, whereas the door cards of my '93 do. I'm wondering if the lower part of my '93 door is the same as the '89? Could you post a photo of the doors that you have converted?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2009 12:09:39 GMT -5
Just wanted to say, as an owner of a '93 DL with the "auto seatbelts" they are in fact rubbish and when misused (aka used by most people) they can be used to destroy the upper rear corners of the door cards and in the case of my car, even the door jambs themselves. My jambs are littered with gouges and both window frames actually have stress cracks from this issue. I was able to lube the seatbelt mechanisms and generally "clean up" the peices and the seatbelts work marginally better.
Still, I have to slowly walk people through the process of closing the door properly. With a new passenger getting out of the car it usually goes something like this: "pull down on the belt closest to the window. No, the one close to the window. NO, THE OTHER ONE. NO THE ONE THAT IS NOT THE ONE IN YOUR HAND, THE ONE CLOSEST TO THE GLASS. PULL DOWN ON IT. Nevermind, leave it - I will come over there and close the door." For me, it's now become a habit to just give the belt a tug and then get out of the car. Can't wait till I can get rid of these belts and follow the process outlined by SJ to convert to "normal" belts.
I've actually given rides to a couple people who after the above exchange STILL sort of look confused and SMASH the door into the jamb with the seatbelt buckle in between and look puzzled with it's met with a muffled crunch/crash noise instead of the door closing. I just don't get it...
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SeattleJusty
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Post by SeattleJusty on Dec 4, 2009 12:17:05 GMT -5
*deep belly laugh* Dude, I feel your pain SO much.
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Post by 89 on Dec 4, 2009 12:20:41 GMT -5
;D All seriousness aside, That's some funny stuff right there. Kanpai!,
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Post by SeattleJusty on Dec 4, 2009 20:36:18 GMT -5
SeattleJusty, hoping you could help me out. I just purchased a '89 Justy, not running. The body and interior are in great shape. I have a '93 Justy in excellent condition. I purchased the '89 for parts as I need them. I was wanting to change over the seat belts between the two. I noticed that the door cards of the '89 don't cover the entire door, whereas the door cards of my '93 do. I'm wondering if the lower part of my '93 door is the same as the '89? Could you post a photo of the doors that you have converted? Sorry man, I didn't see your cry for help! If your door cards do not cover the entire door then you most likely have the door cards from a Justy DL. The doors should be basically the same otherwise. Why are you concerned with the lower part of the door?
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Post by bikkerider on Dec 5, 2009 14:38:17 GMT -5
SeattleJusty, hoping you could help me out. I just purchased a '89 Justy, not running. The body and interior are in great shape. I have a '93 Justy in excellent condition. I purchased the '89 for parts as I need them. I was wanting to change over the seat belts between the two. I noticed that the door cards of the '89 don't cover the entire door, whereas the door cards of my '93 do. I'm wondering if the lower part of my '93 door is the same as the '89? Could you post a photo of the doors that you have converted? Sorry man, I didn't see your cry for help! If your door cards do not cover the entire door then you most likely have the door cards from a Justy DL. The doors should be basically the same otherwise. Why are you concerned with the lower part of the door? The '89 parts Justy is an ECVT GL. My running '93 Justy is a DL. The door cards on the '89 don't cover the entire door like the door cards of my '93 Justy. I haven't taken the door cards off my '93 Justy yet, but after looking closer the lower part of the door appears to be the same. I'll be doing the seatbelt conversion soon, thanks.
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