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Post by PictureChasers on Nov 1, 2005 17:41:17 GMT -5
Seeking differences between version 1 & 2 of these cars, if that's the appropriate numbers. Is that the right year split?
I own 2 DD's, 91 & 93. Do not have access to a version 1 to measure & check out. If it makes any difference I am seeking a 4 door of whatever generation is best for my needs.
Planning on a full stripping on rotisserie, seam welding, then turning into an adventure car. Bush bumpers, elephant rack/roof platform/removable land bridges, removable winch front & back, 2" lift, coil-over rear shocks. Roll cage, have not decided how serious. I would conform to CARS rules but I must preserve back seat, even if entry is impeded. Any ideas on how to achieve both CARS & back seat?
I believe the version 1's came with 12" wheels, and smaller brakes. True?
I don't care about cosmetic differences, but it seems easier where I am to find version 2 parts than version 1.
Have read that version 2's are 3" longer from strut tower to rad support. Is this true? Why? What's in there that was not in version 1's? If true I would prefer shorter, BUT maybe longer allows a second small battery?
Any other dimension differences?
Is there a rust difference?
Any other mechanical differences?
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Post by SUBIEJIM on Nov 1, 2005 17:58:19 GMT -5
Man..You ask alot of questions!!! ...Just Kidding! Gen 1 cars: 84-88 (only 87-88 years sold in US & Canada..All were 2 doors) Gen 2 cars: 90-95 (only 90-94 years sold in US & Canada Could be had in 2 or 4 doors) 12" wheels used on all Gen 1 cars 12" or 13" used on Gen 2 cars depending on trim level (DL=12" GL=13") Gen 2 GL cars with 13" wheels had bigger front disc brake rotors. (These can be retrofitted onto Gen 1 cars..I did it on my 88 4WD Gen 1 Justy) If I can think of any more stuff I will post later! PictureChasers...Did you get the pics I sent Jim
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Post by SUBIEJIM on Nov 2, 2005 0:20:55 GMT -5
Gen 2 cars: 90-95 (only 90-94 years sold in US & Canada Could be had in 2 or 4 doors)I knew I forgot something... 1989 Justys were also Gen 2 cars but, could only be had in the 2 door body style. The 4 door Justy arrived in 90 and was only available with 4WD. No 4 door FWD Justys were ever sold in the US or Canada to the best of my knowledge. As far as body differences between Gen 1 and Gen 2 cars...There are many! The only body panels that are remotely the same are the doors and even they have a different PN#s You can use some parts from the Gen 2 cars to update Gen 1 cars as I stated earlier but, it is mainly a trial and error type process. Jim
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Post by Scoobaru on Nov 2, 2005 15:34:50 GMT -5
The front end is definitely different, big time (fenders, grill, etc). Not sure if this was for cosmetic reasons (makes it less utility looking), I was thinking it was to allow for the EFI option(never came on the gen1). The doors will swap, I have done that (with a 2 door). I looked at the rear hatch, and I am thinking it looks like it would swap, but I haven't tried it. My impression on rust is that the gen 1 is better, but maybe that is just the samples I have seen. Interior is quite similar, seats all interchange (in the two door models anyway).
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Post by PictureChasers on Nov 2, 2005 22:03:59 GMT -5
SUBIEJIM I did NOT get your pictures, how did you send them?
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Post by PictureChasers on Nov 2, 2005 23:06:57 GMT -5
So it seems that I need a 90-94 4 dr, which will apparently certainly come with 4wd. My wife has one (93) but it's pretty straight & clean. I hate to radius a fender that's not rusty? I need a better 4 dr to replace hers which we likely can't afford, or a junker 4dr to strip down.
Gotta correct you on 1 point though. Our 93 was 4 dr FWD CVT when my Justy mechanic friend got it, it was likely originally sold here in Canada. He had just swapped in 5 spd and 4WD when we bought it. Some parts like clutch cable clamps are still missing as he didn't have them, dash is still automatic display. He also had problem finding local read differential. I have both spare in my new donor car from last week.
Does anyone know if the Gen 2's are actually longer from strut to radiator, and if so WHY?
My sched 40 PVC garage/awning is taking shape, so soon I get to get my hands dirty!
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Post by PictureChasers on Nov 3, 2005 5:09:21 GMT -5
90-92 GL models had equal length shafts. 90-92 DL models had unequal length shafts. 93-95 All had the equal length shafts. subiejim, I grabbed this from another thread you had posted on, it's not body parts but I think it fits this discussion. I believe that the equal vs unequal halfshaft length determines a block difference in mounting holes. Is this correct? If so, that makes it difficult to find the correct block long distance. Does this mean I must only seek engine blocks from 90-92 GL's & all 93-95's, to get the correct mounting for equal length halfshafts? Or have I been sniffing too many fumes? Are the equal length halfshafts also beefier? I am working on two Gen 2's and prefer to have all the same halfshafts & blocks. We have 2 years to completely rebuild car plus new or rebuilt spares of almost everything including complete longblock & half another engine for parts. So I am attempting to get a knowledgeable grasp of the parts I seek 1 at a time. Building a portable garage tomorrow for 2 Justy's, photographing & writing about every stage of our adventure car rebuild including our initial dealer rebuild and machine shop. I think you all will enjoy watching our second engine rebuild. I counted at least 18 possible mistakes in our last dealer rebuilt engine. Some my wife & I made ourselves. We're fixing ALL of them this time and adding balancing & blueprinting. I am carefully listening to any advice available, then selecting each component & machine process personally. Assembling & plastigaging myself in no hurry. Will post photos and ask advice as I assemble engine. If there's any errors made I plan to make them, but will only make them once! Need 3 or possibly 4 engines rebuilt, hoping to be pretty good at it by then!?!
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Post by baron on Nov 3, 2005 8:05:21 GMT -5
i had an 89 GLII (series 2) and have a 92 Si (series 2). the differences i know of are: 89 did come in a 5 door. the 3 doors have side repeaters between the wing mirror and arch, the 5 door doesnt, instead the 5 door has repeaters in the bumper with little poking out bits. interior the same fit. gearbox the same (im pretty sure of it). radiators the same. i only know of 240mm brakes on these 2 cars. lights the same. ummm.... ...all euro models could have a sunroof. they all had a clock. only one european model came colour coded all over, in white (that'll be my rare beasty ) thats as technical as i get, or remember. series 1 generally seem to be less rusty than the series 2, but theres less about and they still rust in the same places. you can swap some series 1 justy parts with the likes of nissan micras and so on. i dont know about engines, but the headlights are certainly the same. the toyota starlet too, they all used the same lights. for your battery idea, stick them in the boot/trunk along with the spare wheel. it saves under bonnet temps as well as balance the cars weight a little better. if it stops raining i will go measure the strut to rad
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Post by Scoobaru on Nov 3, 2005 13:05:12 GMT -5
I think the rad is further out on the gen2, part of the front end modifications that like I said I think are related to allowing room for the EFI option.
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Post by SUBIEJIM on Nov 3, 2005 23:10:44 GMT -5
You are correct!! You MUST use an EFI block if you want to use equal length axle shafts. These blocks..(Used in 90-92 GLs and all 93-95 Justys) had a provision to mount the right side stub shaft and hanger bearing. The equal length shafts are the way to go if you are going to rebuild a Justy. Eventually, my carbed 88 4WD Gl Justy will get an EFI engine and the above mentioned axle upgrade. If you need any Tech info or advice during your "Justy Quest" just post or PM me and I will be glad to help out in any way I can. Jim
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Post by PictureChasers on Nov 4, 2005 9:03:19 GMT -5
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