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Post by lifegoeson90 on Nov 20, 2007 11:18:56 GMT -5
because a justy body on a lifted tracker with 35s would look pretty sweet
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Post by huzar105 on Nov 21, 2007 4:18:57 GMT -5
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Post by gearheadeh on Nov 21, 2007 7:50:53 GMT -5
because a justy body on a lifted tracker with 35s would look pretty sweet thats just it........A justy body which includes the wheel wells would be tough as the wheel wells will only take a 24 inch tall tire!!!.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Nov 21, 2007 11:34:32 GMT -5
because a justy body on a lifted tracker with 35s would look pretty sweet thats just it........A justy body which includes the wheel wells would be tough as the wheel wells will only take a 24 inch tall tire!!!. Right! Er, I mean wrong! The Justy wheel wells cannot take anything over 23" tall tire unless you lift the shït out of it. You'll have to have ridiculous body lift or else get out the torch and cut up your Justy. I wouldn't lose any sleep over this though because I think there's a greater chance of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad joining Shimon Peres for seder, than someone actually putting a J12 chassis atop a tracker frame. Those weirdos in Auburn WA, Renton WA and Oregon are the only ones I believe nutty enough to do this crap because they actually showed pictures
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Post by lifegoeson90 on Nov 23, 2007 9:37:45 GMT -5
anything possible if you have the time and money
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Post by fraser9764 on Nov 24, 2007 12:59:40 GMT -5
i am starting to see why SJ gets wound up on here at times, this is the only justy i have ever seen to have anything major (besides comparitavly basic turbo conversions) done and done damn well. every other thread on here at the moment seems to be people asking how to fit an boxer engine. why do people think that because it has a subaru badge on it, it is a straight swap?!?!
all this talk of frame swaps, and engine conversions is all well and good, but how many of them actualy get done?!
in my opinion (which i accept is MY opinion, not everyones) a justy is a cool little FUN car. the chassis was not designed to be lifted four feet up! and definatly not designed for the weight of a 2.5L engine of the massive amount of touque it puts out. As you can see, this car wont go round corners thats why it is just used for drag racing.
so unless you have the cash, knowhow, and balls to do a conversion, why waste time telling the world about it on the interweb?! if you do actualy have the ingredients required to do it, get some pictures up! and i might take you seriously.
sorry if im sounding like an a$$hole, just the way i see it.
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Post by SUBIEJIM on Nov 24, 2007 15:34:19 GMT -5
I have to say that I do agree with Fraser9764 on this one! First... Let me say that I do "LIKE" the Monster Justy and give the guys who built it a Big thumbs up on the concept, planning, and execution. The car is definitely something special and very well built! Now... With that said, I have one major question... What makes a Justy a Justy? For me a "Justy" is a small well balanced in line 3cyl car with either a FWD or 4WD trans axle. In stock form it has an excellent power to weight ratio (1 hp per 28 lbs of vehicle) this is based on a 4WD Gen 1 1850 lb car with the 66 hp carbed engine. The FI cars are better! Torque output on these little cars are phenomenal! I can, and do go stop light to stop light with Ford Festivas and Geo Metros and very rarely have I ever gotten "Schooled"! These cars handle fairly well in stock trim but, really respond well to basic suspension modifications. Front & rear Sway bars, strut tower braces, Springs, Better tires, ETC. All you Rally, Ice, and Parking lot racers know exactly what I'm talking about! I guess my feelings are... If ya want to build a 750 hp AWD boxer drag car around a Justy body, Thats great! But, In my mind the Monster Justy is technically NOT a Justy! Just like the English Anglia you see at the drag strip, with it's tube frame, 4 link suspension, Lenco trans, and big block V8 Chevy engine. You can't really call the car a "True" English Anglia because it is so far removed from the original concept that that title no longer applies. I guess I'm an old Purist when it comes to cars. Just my 2 cents Jim
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Post by SeattleJusty on Nov 25, 2007 23:14:32 GMT -5
Fraser did put it well and as usual, I agree with what Jim has to say. Does anyone remember what Silhouette car means? Stock cars are a perfect example. The most ridiculous was the Ford Taurus stock car of 90's Winston-Cup-Series. How is a V8 powered, rear wheel drive, 4-speed, sedan with the rear doors painted on, anything like a stock V6, front wheel drive, automatic transmission, family car? There gets to be a certain point where you've changed so much that the vehicle is no longer what it started out as. In the case of this Turkish drag racer, the cable clutch has been replaced with a hydraulic clutch, the inline 3 has been replaced with a flat 4, the suspension has been altered, the arches cut out, the bumper moved forward, on & on & on...it isn't a Justy anymore, it is a silhouette. I also think it's ridiculous too Whatever, lust after it if you like, I think Jim's car is way cooler. The 700HP car can pass anything...but a gas station.
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Post by SubieGuy on Nov 29, 2007 23:39:44 GMT -5
First of all, I agree with most of the comments above and would like to thank you all for the good wishes. Yes, Justy is a very fun car in stock form, I still own and use mine regularly though I also have a modified MY05 Impreza WRX STi which is a real exotic upsetter. There is a certain charm to even a stock Justy that few other cars have, and once you get used to the handling, nimbleness etc, other same or one upper class cars seem boring though they may be faster. I still go to a friend's go-kart track to have fun with my Justy as well as do my daily chores and shopping. I have bought my Justy new in 1990 for about $23.000 USD and have spent quite a lot on it over the years, even though I had way faster cars along with it. That's how the know-how was accumulated to do such a conversion. As for the Monster Justy, we could have fabricated a tube chassis and fitted a fiberglass Justy silhouette over it, but we chose to modify the Justy shell instead. The main load bearing frame is still Justy, the suspension towers and fenders have been extended outwards to accomodate WRX shocks and axles, while front and rear WRX U-subframes have been bolted to the original Justy structure with backing plates. In my opinion, staying with a modified Justy shell does not make it a "Silhouette", but a draped over fiberglass cup does. Furthermore, IMHO it is pointless to discuss how "Justy" is our Monster Justy, you might call it a Volvo, trabant or a Porsche, and it will remain a Justy. Just a waay faster one. And though it is not a full tweaked suspension bearing "time trial special", it handles and stops as well with WRX brakes. It simply is not your usual "Funny car" type which needs 100yards for a U-turn. I have respect for any opinion in this highly regarded Justy forum of which I have been a member for years now. But beating anyone with a stick because they fitted a high lift kit, a boxer engine, a Ferrari V12 or a jet engine to the lovely Justy suprises me. And a footnote for you guys: due to Turkish automobile taxes and inflation rate, the second hand price for a 1990 Justy is about $4.000, a 2005 WRX costs about $40-45.000, a new STi costs about $100.000 in US Dollars. Normal unleaded pump gas is $12/gallon. Add to this the fact that the average income is less than the US, the owner is not a millionaire, and you can see the amount of blood, sweat and money put into this project. I see no point in disregarding the effort necessary to undertake such job... And this was my $0.02... Cheers.
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Post by fraser9764 on Dec 3, 2007 13:25:23 GMT -5
i am not arguing the fact that ths is a brilliantly well done project, i take my hat off to all that have worked on it.
the thing that was winding me up was the amount of people that buy a justy and think that because a justy has a subaru badge on the front, they can simply unbolt a boxxer engine and throw it in a justy. or simply jack the car up, drop off the complete frame, engine etc, and bol up one from another car.
in reality, how many of these projects have been carried out, and carried out well?.. One, this one.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Dec 3, 2007 14:06:28 GMT -5
i am not arguing the fact that ths is a brilliantly well done project, i take my hat off to all that have worked on it. the thing that was winding me up was the amount of people that buy a justy and think that because a justy has a subaru badge on the front, they can simply unbolt a boxxer engine and throw it in a justy. or simply jack the car up, drop off the complete frame, engine etc, and bol up one from another car. in reality, how many of these projects have been carried out, and carried out well?.. One, this one. Sorry Fraser, you're wrong. I think that French or Belgian (or Martian?) guy with the red Gen2 that he transplanted a complete WRX powertrain/drivetrain into, did a perfect job. In fact I prefer his car to the so called Monster (monstrosity?) Just in case we've all forgotten, monswap.monchar.com/ check it out. I prefer this guy's car because it is much more Justy than the Turk and basically looks stock. Doesn't look like a bad Testarossa nightmare
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Post by fraser9764 on Dec 3, 2007 14:43:32 GMT -5
ok i stand corrected, there have been 2 well done projects. neither one is realy my 'cup of tea' i would like to see either go round a corner!!!
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Post by SeattleJusty on Dec 3, 2007 15:24:48 GMT -5
SubieJim's white squarebody is still my favorite Justy. It is a pure Justy in the spirit of the J10/J12.
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Post by SubieGuy on Dec 8, 2007 15:13:22 GMT -5
You are probably forgetting Trevor Crowe's 1990 White RWD-WRX engined Kiwi Justy that had been competing in hillclimb events. That is one fast way to "go around a corner" www.rallysportmag.com.au/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1245&Itemid=2Specs: *2.5 litre turbo WRX motor, mid-mounted *Microtech engine managment *5 speed straight cut WRX gearbox converted to 2 wheel drive. *Weight 800kg. *Brakes- 4-pot calipers on vented disks. Oh, I forgot, Do I need to comment on "going around corners" on a drag car??? If we had decided to make a rallycross monster, we sure could have built one. But this is a drag car, it sure is not a daily driver w. 750 Hp. Thank you for the "bad Testarossa nightmare" comment fraser9764, I hope you build a better one.
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Post by gearheadeh on Dec 8, 2007 18:25:28 GMT -5
Tut Tut Tut, funny how jelousy causes people to make disparaging comments about other projects even though they went from concept to completion. Everybody can dream up their ideal car, that's the easy part. The hard part is having the money, time, knowledge and skills to bring such a large project to completion!.Sometime it is just easier to pik and pik looking for slight imperfections rather than look at the whole thing for what it is.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Dec 8, 2007 21:50:01 GMT -5
I did look at the whole thing. It is a bad Testarossa nightmare driven by a fāg, er I mean driven by a man smoking fāgs with his I'm-so-cool-look-at-how-tough-I-am-with-my-sunglasses-and-pot-belly smirk on his face. The video was the grandest display of public masterbatīon I have seen from men in their post 30's. "Jealous" is something that I am not. Diced onions!
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Post by SubieGuy on Dec 9, 2007 6:50:17 GMT -5
I did look at the whole thing. It is a bad Testarossa nightmare driven by a fāg, er I mean driven by a man smoking fāgs with his I'm-so-cool-look-at-how-tough-I-am-with-my-sunglasses-and-pot-belly smirk on his face. The video was the grandest display of public masterbatīon I have seen from men in their post 30's. "Jealous" is something that I am not. Diced onions! Hahahahaaa I really did not know you were in such bad condition. I really will not extend this and reply about your comments for my friends. I have always kept my posts about Justy's, and will continue to do so. Good luck with your "keyboard cowboy" dreams, I may take you serious when you have a project of your own and can be brave enough to post details here. ;D ;D
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Post by SubieGuy on Dec 9, 2007 7:08:10 GMT -5
Tut Tut Tut, funny how jelousy causes people to make disparaging comments about other projects even though they went from concept to completion. Everybody can dream up their ideal car, that's the easy part. The hard part is having the money, time, knowledge and skills to bring such a large project to completion!.Sometime it is just easier to pik and pik looking for slight imperfections rather than look at the whole thing for what it is. It's good to see there are sensible people here who can speak out loud what they think. Thank you. Justy's are a disappearing breed, and I believe there is something special about a Justy. We should stick together and share information, experiences, etc. here, not whine and insult each other.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Dec 9, 2007 18:01:14 GMT -5
SubieGuy, simply dismissing me (what the hell is a keyboard cowboy and why did you put it in quotation marks?) and saying that I need to have a "project" of my own, is frankly a weak move. I do have projects. Firstly I have a delightful rock stock Justy that I drive 15,000 miles a year and keep in the best working order I can. Secondly I have a pre-facelift MK1 Capri that I try not to talk about too much here as it is not a Justy and this is a Justy forum. You will gladly accept compliments from the unqualified because it strokes your ego but when someone who knows what they're talking about, presents criticisms or expresses concern or dislike for your drag racer, then you get haughty and talk down. This is a forum Jack, and people put up their cars to be seen and talked about. If you don't like what the other half has to say, then start your own members only group. Good day, sir.
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Post by SubieGuy on Dec 9, 2007 21:01:55 GMT -5
SubieGuy, simply dismissing me (what the hell is a keyboard cowboy and why did you put it in quotation marks?) and saying that I need to have a "project" of my own, is frankly a weak move. I do have projects. Firstly I have a delightful rock stock Justy that I drive 15,000 miles a year and keep in the best working order I can. Secondly I have a pre-facelift MK1 Capri that I try not to talk about too much here as it is not a Justy and this is a Justy forum. You will gladly accept compliments from the unqualified because it strokes your ego but when someone who knows what they're talking about, presents criticisms or expresses concern or dislike for your drag racer, then you get haughty and talk down. This is a forum Jack, and people put up their cars to be seen and talked about. If you don't like what the other half has to say, then start your own members only group. Good day, sir. 1. You do not have the right to call everyone here (except you of course) "unqualified", who have expressed their opinions about our project. I used to like your comments and how you wanted to help people out with their problems, but I guess you suffering some type of inferiority complex, or are very bad at expressing yourself now. 2. You do not have the right to insult anyone with words like "fāg", or "public masterbatīon" , that just degrades you yourself. Grow up. 3. I have been a Justy owner for 17 years, and I sure know a lot about them after stacking more than 200.000 miles on it, half of it modified w. turbo and what not. I sure will not get into an argument with you here, which I think you'd like a lot; visible from all posts of yours that I've read here.. 4. If I just wanted someone to stroke my ego, I would not be posting stuff and trying to help people in this forum. I have shared and received a lot of good ideas in here. There are zillions of ricer forums where people put photos of their cars and expect to have oohs and aahhs as replys. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM. This is a Justy forum where people share information, try to help each other fix problems, share good and bad experience together. You should try to remember that. 5. I am always open for good critism from people I respect. But for people with personality disorders (calling other people they don't know "fags"), I certainly know they have to grow up; or be rehabilitated to be able to hold a decent conversation. I hope you reach that level before you hurt your social surroundings as well, because in real life, these things you type could get you into trouble real quick. This is what I meant by the words "keyboard cowboy", you simply do not type things on the net that you would not say to one's face if you were one-to-one in real life. This is not decent behaviour, and you should be ashamed. 6. And actually, I have my own group, and have a couple of friends in Seattle. I have visited Seattle before, and I may actually give you a call when I come over there next time. We can continue this conversation and make sure we do not pollute the forum further with this issue. Cheers.
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