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Post by zabolxp on Feb 6, 2010 13:55:50 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I have Subaru Justy from 1989.
Does anyone ever had made some modification to operate the handbrake only the rear wheels when turned on four-wheel drive?
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Post by imaginarius on Feb 6, 2010 14:01:06 GMT -5
Don't think so. Where are you located?
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Post by zabolxp on Feb 6, 2010 14:03:23 GMT -5
I'm from Poland (Lodz). I thiking about build my Justy for rallies, but without some modification with rear diff or something, which would help solve my problem i won't start this project.
It will be great to create mod like in WRC cars when you pull handbrake, rear diff is disconnected. Justy is not complicated car so i think it is not something impossible.
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Post by hollandjusty on Feb 6, 2010 14:15:54 GMT -5
you'll need a center diff, otherwise you'll lock all 4 wheels with the handbrake
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Post by imaginarius on Feb 6, 2010 14:18:58 GMT -5
I rally it by itself, it's a 20 minute drive to the old logging roads. For actual racing, maybe it won't cut it, but for simple hauling balls out there, it gets the job done. I used to have 2 10's and a 12 with 2 amps in a big box in the hatch, I used to be able to decomp in 2nd around a downhill corner and simply whip the (steering)wheel and the back of the car would fly out around the corner; sort of like an e-brake turn/drift, but without actually e-braking. Now that I have a video recorder on my camera, next time I am out I'll get some clips.
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Post by zabolxp on Feb 6, 2010 14:34:33 GMT -5
I used to have 2 10's and a 12 with 2 amps in a big box in the hatch, I used to be able to decomp in 2nd around My english is not perfect, could you write more clearly? But maybe i understand it when you show video.
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Post by Raw Justyce! on Feb 6, 2010 14:48:04 GMT -5
I used to have 2 10's and a 12 with 2 amps in a big box in the hatch, I used to be able to decomp in 2nd around My english is not perfect, could you write more clearly? But maybe i understand it when you show video. He means he had 2 ten inch subwoofers, a 12 inch subwoofer, and 2 amplifiers.
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Post by imaginarius on Feb 6, 2010 14:56:42 GMT -5
I suppose I could have said that hahaha
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Post by zabolxp on Feb 6, 2010 15:17:25 GMT -5
Very clever.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Feb 6, 2010 17:51:44 GMT -5
. . .could you write more clearly? Classic
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Post by imaginarius on Feb 6, 2010 18:12:19 GMT -5
Was that a shot, or...?
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Post by indkid87 on Feb 6, 2010 18:58:56 GMT -5
Ahh imaginarius isn't your justy 2wd? I would not recommend using the e-brake on a 4wd justy with the 4wd engaged. YOU WILL BREAK THINGS.
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Post by zabolxp on Feb 6, 2010 19:17:54 GMT -5
Actually I used e-brake with 4wd when brake pads are worn (few months!).
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Post by indkid87 on Feb 6, 2010 19:54:54 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong you can use it and it will work but it won't be long before things start to break. Personally I usually rev it up and pop the clutch to get the rear end out, or a little scandanvian flick works nice to.
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Post by imaginarius on Feb 6, 2010 21:48:20 GMT -5
It is FWD, you can still slide safely, as long as you know what is going on around you and you car.
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Post by RedRooJusty on Feb 7, 2010 12:20:30 GMT -5
you'll need a center diff, otherwise you'll lock all 4 wheels with the handbrake **hollandjusty** has the right answer. When in 4wd, the power and brake distribution is locked together. If you yank the e-brake in 4wd, the braking will transfer through the 4wd and effectively brake all four wheels. **indkid87** e-braking in 4wd just wears the rear brake shoes down, by design the 4wd system can handle the load distribution of an emergency brake application. The emergency brake is there for emergency, and should work in all operating conditions of the vehicle (2WD/4WD/Wet/Dry/Snow) without damage. -RRJ
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Post by zabolxp on Feb 7, 2010 12:53:42 GMT -5
I know how it works. I create this topic to maybe find some idea to modifiaction. Do you guys know construction of turn on/off 4WD mechanism by button on gearshift? Maybe there is some solution to make immediately turn on/off 4WD by button, even if wheels are not straight? Then it can be connect with handbrake and create system something like in WRC cars.
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Post by RedRooJusty on Feb 7, 2010 14:13:39 GMT -5
I know how it works. I create this topic to maybe find some idea to modifiaction. Do you guys know construction of turn on/off 4WD mechanism by button on gearshift? Maybe there is some solution to make immediately turn on/off 4WD by button, even if wheels are not straight? Then it can be connect with handbrake and create system something like in WRC cars. I am with **hollandjusty** that you would need a center diff, or electronic clutch coupling the rear drive. On the like topic, a group of us on this forum discussed incorporating a Viscous Coupler into the rear drive line as a "like-AWD" mod, but the cons seem to outweigh any benefit. subarujusty.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=talk&thread=2914&page=1-RRJ
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Post by imaginarius on Feb 7, 2010 14:57:56 GMT -5
I remember that post...it seems the more folks want to "rally mod" their Justy, they might as well end up buying an Impreza. It makes it really hard for a guy like me, because I remember when I wanted to do things to make my Justy more rally-esque, but I quickly learned that you need to make sure the basics are taken car of first(thanks, SJ) before you do any kind of mods; of course though, that can be broken down into "unless it semi-permanently 'fixes' whatever is actually wrong with the car", i.e. the skateboard bushing idea. That is fantastic. Yet simple, and it does semi-permanently fix the issue. But turbos...stuff like that? Most of the folks I see here that really "rally mod" a Justy, have been on that road for days, they know what they are doing, and they are good at it AS well as the fact that they are prepared. But some of these folks nowadays(and I am not talking about you, zabo) want to turbo this, weld that, mod this....I originally wanted a small turbo(when I first got on here) to help me up hills, NOT to rally with. I would like to point that out. But I am becoming more leery of pure newcomers wanting to turn a Justy into an Impreza.... I say that because as a Justy owner, I now know how fragile they actually are. Simple fixes, a few dire mods here and there, but for performance....just do with what you got, it will be just fine. I don't need 4wd to hit the dirt, I don't need a turbo to hit the hills(just hit the hills faster!), and I don't need anything more. SJ said "don't mod until the motor was tip-top first." Now that was great advice at the time, and it proved itself last week when we realized that the sensor was shot. Learn folks! Learn from the master!!
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Post by nipper on Feb 7, 2010 15:00:35 GMT -5
Can I throw this out there?
Justys are on demand 4wd. Depending upon the response time of the selection of 4wd, couldnt you just use the Parking Brake indicator switch to disengage the 4wd system?
The poster is talking about the ability to control each rear wheel with its own brake handle. VW beetle's could do this because they had each wheel's cable come to the Parking Brake Handle. There were kist to easily do this in VW. The Justys parking brake is more the traditional one cable pulls both wheels. I imagine with money and some creativity (and a torch) it can be made to do what you want.
nipper
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