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Post by ratman on Aug 19, 2009 14:30:22 GMT -5
was wondering if anyone knowof a company that makes a header for this car. thx, rm
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Post by =Justyless= on Aug 19, 2009 19:06:23 GMT -5
no aftermarket headers are available. You would have to make your own.
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Post by indkid87 on Aug 19, 2009 20:27:36 GMT -5
I don't think you really need a header. Have you ever looked at the manifold thats on there?
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Post by ratman on Aug 19, 2009 22:17:23 GMT -5
i own an e10 4x4 subie van that im putting an ef12 efi engine in, i would like to build a header for it. ive built many sets of custom headers but im in costa rica and dont have all my equipment here so was hoping to by a header for the justy and cut it up to make one to fit my van. it would save me the headache of locating a 3 into 1 collector and having a flange machined from a piece of flat steel stock. nothing works better than a stepped equal length primary tube header plus the muffler on my van and whole exhaust is a series of 180 degree bends, not good for breathing. for a bigger engine one call to jerry stahl headers would get me what i needed, but for this one of deal i will need to make it all from scratch even finding 1" tubing has been difficult to find so far as none of the motorcycle header companies wants to sell a collector or 1" tubing. '
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Post by imaginarius on Aug 19, 2009 23:38:09 GMT -5
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SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Aug 20, 2009 2:52:19 GMT -5
From what's gathered, I've assumed: -E10, E12 engines lay flat, like boxers, and have different oil pans -E10, E12 engines have oil filters attached to crankcase cover and have oil coolers fitted. -E10, E12 engine heads have intake/exhaust on opposite sides than EF type engines. stacks Being that Stacks is the purveyor of sometimes-true Subaru factoids, I felt compelled to do a quick search to find if I could see one of these tipped over, backward E12 engines and I found this.... images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.kei-cars.com/stock/94_Subaru_Domingo_Green_8.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.kei-cars.com/index_files/1994_Subaru_Domingo.htm&usg=__XBI9yHQTcTb9UVHwwcN_I_kSKBA=&h=533&w=800&sz=172&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=re2niC4BKVQMMM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsubaru%2Bdomingo%2Bengine%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1So do these guys have it all wrong? What really constitutes a kei car? -Kei Car is the key word: They're all Kei Cars, -360,R-2,Rex and Vivio -Sherpa(EK42 is 665cc(5cc over limit)) and Justy are not kei cars stacks
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Post by ratman on Aug 20, 2009 6:51:20 GMT -5
www.answers.com/topic/subaru-sambarthis is the history of the van, pretty cool. i own an 85 and the eng trans axle assm i have came out of the next generation. i have another thread looking for info on efi components i will need to get this engine running in efi trim. the eng i bought is complete less ecu, ecu wiring harness, ign coil module, efi fuel pump and filter. what other items will i need? i found a place in the u.s. that has a donor justy i can get what i need from i'm just trying to get it all at one time. i can get the stuff from japan but it will take 2 months for it to get here with my engine suppliers next shipment and i don't want to wait. i was looking at a parts diagram for an ef eng equipped van and it shows a relay and resister assm do the justys use this? thx for any help guys, i cant wait to get the engine swap done. rm
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Post by ratman on Aug 20, 2009 7:07:49 GMT -5
stacks the stuff ive read says the van and the justy use the same ef12 eng but you are correct in that the int and exhaust are on opposite sides of the head, the alternator as well. my eng is from a van so everything is where it needs to be. the addl efi components i need are my biggest priority at the moment. i can always build a header from scratch, i was just trying to make it as easy as possible buy buying one from a justy. thx again for everyones help. rm
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Danimal
Getting my two Justys back together after a Justy hiatus.
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Post by Danimal on Aug 20, 2009 10:10:06 GMT -5
So do these guys have it all wrong? What really constitutes a kei car? Everything I've seen elsewhere matches the facts on this page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_carWikipedia is often very accurate. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_SambarWith the larger engine and extra-thick bumpers it no longer qualifies for kei car status. -Danimal
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SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Aug 20, 2009 10:47:32 GMT -5
I was actually agreeing with Stacks in my earlier post, just in case there were misunderstandings. Shocking, I know. I too am a lover of Wikipedia as the things I usually use it for are accurately reported on because devoted experts write and rewrite the wiki pages, but there are some things that are poorly researched. I am trying more and more to use the journalist's rule of finding three credible sources when available. I'm just saying that the site I linked us too provided an excellent photgraphic glimpse into the backward engine but they listed the vehicle as 4-cylinder and they call themselves a seller of kei cars yet this vehicle is clearly not kei.
Just trying to be observant, scientific.
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Post by ratman on Aug 20, 2009 14:07:39 GMT -5
hey guys any more info on the header? or perhaps what other parts i will need to get the efi working, i found a guy getting ready to part out an efi justy and want to make sure i get everything i need the first time, im getting the ecu and harness, the ignition coil, fuel pump and filter, any thing else i might need? do the ef12 justys have an externel oil cooler? thx for any info. rm
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SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Aug 20, 2009 17:57:00 GMT -5
I think in Subaru speak (at least before the new century) K meant twin and F meant triple.
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Post by ratman on Aug 20, 2009 18:55:43 GMT -5
i thought is was an ef12 but maybe it is the e12 which is the model designation of the van it came out of. its basically an ef12 with the int and ex reversed. there is a different part number for the ecu pn suffix but in sure it will work ok. i have a guy that's parting an efi justy and was planning to buy the ecu, ecu harness, ign coil module, fuel pump and fuel filter, i will replace the fuel filter as soon as i get5 it running. does the justy have a separate harness just for the ecu to the engine or is it part of the entire vehicle wiring harness. keep in mind ive never seen a justy under the hood or the donor van in japan that this engine came out of. thanks for any help, rm
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Post by ratman on Aug 20, 2009 19:03:01 GMT -5
stacks, the parts diagram i saw for the van shows the efi pump externally located for the efi van. im a good fabricator and will modify the fuel tank if need be to install the pump inside, but i think it will work ok externally. i will use a catch can for the fuel bypass of the efi fuel rail for initial start up, then plan to drill a hole in the top of the tank for a fuel return off the fuel rail once i get it running. the main concern i have is getting ALL the needed parts here the first go round as i'm in costa rica and it takes about 10 days for anything to arrive and clear customs. can you think of anything i've missed on my to get list? thx, rm
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Post by ratman on Aug 20, 2009 19:07:25 GMT -5
From what's gathered, I've assumed: -E10, E12 engines lay flat, like boxers, and have different oil pans -E10, E12 engines have oil filters attached to crankcase cover and have oil coolers fitted. -E10, E12 engine heads have intake/exhaust on opposite sides than EF type engines. stacks this is the engine im installing Being that Stacks is the purveyor of sometimes-true Subaru factoids, I felt compelled to do a quick search to find if I could see one of these tipped over, backward E12 engines and I found this.... images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.kei-cars.com/stock/94_Subaru_Domingo_Green_8.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.kei-cars.com/index_files/1994_Subaru_Domingo.htm&usg=__XBI9yHQTcTb9UVHwwcN_I_kSKBA=&h=533&w=800&sz=172&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=re2niC4BKVQMMM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsubaru%2Bdomingo%2Bengine%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1So do these guys have it all wrong? What really constitutes a kei car? -Kei Car is the key word: They're all Kei Cars, -360,R-2,Rex and Vivio -Sherpa(EK42 is 665cc(5cc over limit)) and Justy are not kei cars stacks
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Danimal
Getting my two Justys back together after a Justy hiatus.
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Post by Danimal on Aug 20, 2009 19:52:26 GMT -5
I'm certain that the link doesn't show us the intended page, Ratman. -Danimal
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Post by ratman on Aug 20, 2009 20:23:03 GMT -5
danimal, yeah i dont know why that link doesnt work look at the one above your last post. that one works and is the engine im going to install, seatle justy posted father up the page. thx, rm
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Post by ratman on Aug 20, 2009 20:29:51 GMT -5
here in costa rica gas is five bucks a gallon so i wanted to use the efi and i know it will make more torque, it revs higher than the carb model as well as making 7 or 8 more ponies. multi port efi is a nice set up so if i can get it working i will be better of in the long run, it will cost me 400 or 500 more to do it with the efi but it should pay for itself over time with fuel savings and im an rpm freak anyway...read 2 stroke lover.lol thx again for any info on what else i should get from my donor justy to get the efi working, rm
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Post by =Justyless= on Aug 21, 2009 0:41:09 GMT -5
5$ a gallon!!! its only 3$ here in socal
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Post by ultima on Aug 21, 2009 2:51:37 GMT -5
5$ a gallon!!! its only 3$ here in socal Well here in sweden it's about 6,6$ /gallon....
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