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Post by bjornbsrkr on Aug 21, 2009 11:48:59 GMT -5
After searching for a while, I managed to pick up a clean, good running 1995 AWD-4 door for a good price. (Yes, I know that there is no such thing as a 1995 Canadian Justy, but this one is serial numbered and registered that way!) A clutch and a couple of drive shafts later, it performed well on the ice last winter and earned me the 4th place hardware for the season. (First was another Justy with a couple of XTs in between in the AWD class. All of us ahead of those tank like Audis and Imprezas) This summer, it goes on a serious diet (I still had the spare tire and radio in it!) and some minor repairs to the body. Attachments:
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Post by indkid87 on Aug 21, 2009 13:24:28 GMT -5
Sick, how does she handle on the ice? I've only rallyxed mine so far I can't wait for ice racing season.
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Post by imaginarius on Aug 21, 2009 15:37:57 GMT -5
Careful, don't go abusing your Justy about.
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Post by bjornbsrkr on Aug 24, 2009 8:19:02 GMT -5
With tractionized Blizzaks on the car, it handles very well on ice. Combine the low weight (compared to most the competition), and low horsepower split to all four wheels, it finds traction where others can't. It is great to out accelerate cars with four times your horsepower on the straights!
The suspension is stock soft, so loading up the opposite side in preparation for pendulum turns is dead easy. Drifts are easily controlled with the throttle. The Justy is the only car that I have ever raced that can be brought back in line from a drift of greater than 90 degrees (so that the rear bumper was leading!)
The only downside to the Justy is its lack of mass in very tight traffic. The Audis (four wheel drive class) and Volvos (rear wheel drive that run at the same time) really bounce the Justy around with their weight. You have to avoid being "accidentally" spun when you get hit while in the drift.
The Justy would be a waste of time in the "street stud" or "Menard" classes. Not enough power to run against the cars with traction.
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Post by bjornbsrkr on Aug 25, 2009 8:09:42 GMT -5
The CASC-OR ice racing in southern Ontario is all run out of the Fair Grounds in Minden.
The series runs from the third or fourth weekend of January (next season starts January 23, 2010), weather permitting, until we get in six weekends of racing or the track melts whichever comes first. Racing runs from 9 to 5 (ish) on each Saturday and noon to 5 (ish) on each Sunday. Each class gets one heat race and five points races a weekend.
Rubber to ice classes (street tires, tractionizing permitted) are available to fit almost any "beater" (if it wasn't a beater when you start, it will be when you finish). There are engine displacement and modification rules as well as overall length restrictions, so read the rules! Car preparation is at a minimum but there are a number of safety requirements to be met. Stud (Menard) cars are caged.
Class 1: rear wheel drive Class 2: short wheel base front wheel drive Class 3: long wheel base front wheel drive Class 4: four wheel drive and "specials"
These classes also run in "street studs" and "stud" classes with a spec. tire used in both. In addition, all "rubber" classes have a second driver series to allow two drivers to share a car (classes 11, 12, 13 and 14).
Heated washrooms are available on site. The Kinsmen of Minden, who build and maintain the track, provide a snack bar.
Cost was $110 per driver per class per weekend last year. Cars can also be left at the track from the tech weekend (the week before racing) until two weeks after racing finishes to cut down the transportation costs and hassles.
A typical weekend will have around 100 racers running each day with 20+ cars on each grid. Rubber cars hit 70 to 80 km/h on the straight (depending on ice conditions), street studs add another 10 to 20 km/h and the Menard studs are crazy fast!
Trust me, it is a blast!
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Post by indkid87 on Aug 25, 2009 11:21:54 GMT -5
That sounds awesome I wish we had that kind of racing around here but the U.S. suck for motorsports all we get is nascar and drag racing. Hey what do you mean by "tractionized" tires?
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Post by SeattleJusty on Aug 25, 2009 13:20:53 GMT -5
That sounds awesome I wish we had that kind of racing around here but the U.S. suck for motorsports all we get is nascar and drag racing. Hey what do you mean by "tractionized" tires? Hold on now, that's a bit deprecating. The U.S.A. is home of the largest sanctioning body in the world, the S.C.C.A. as well as the I.M.S.A. American LeMans Series (Rolex 24 hours) and the I.R.L. (Indy). Pennsylvania and Colorado are mecca for Solo1 and other Hillclimbing challenges and New York has some very exciting ice racing. Just because Speed channel shows stock cars and drag racing doesn't mean that those are all that's hapenning in the U.S. Have some pride, man!
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Post by underdog on Aug 25, 2009 13:52:08 GMT -5
Welcome!!! Having done a fair amount of dirt and ice events, the Justy is a pretty capable car on ice. I run a 145R13 with a few extra street studs up front and a few less on the rear tires just to help with rotation Its a fun thing "power" oversteering a justy ( since dirt/snow/ice) is the only place you can do it lol. Were starting a rubber to ice racing class here in Sask this winter as well.... sadly there is no awd class ( I don't think they will net me keep the "push to pass" button in the gearshift either!)
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Post by bjornbsrkr on Aug 26, 2009 6:50:40 GMT -5
Yes, the Justy is a class 4. If a car is equipped with part time four wheel drive, it is considered class 4. The Justys (Justi? Justies?) are the smallest cars in class 4. Most the others are older Subaru XTs, Audis of various vintages, Talons, etc. The Imprezas have yet to show up in any great numbers, but there are a couple. There are a flock of Ford Festivas that run in class 2 which are smaller. I raced last year on a set of 155/80-13 Blizzaks that were heavily tractionized. Blizzak has dropped the entire 13 inch line, so I will probably be going with a set of Toyo G02 Plus. I have had good luck with them on my truck on the ice. In reality, you can usually run for YEARS on a set of tires. I had a set of Blizzaks on my old Tercel ice racer that were more than 10 years old, and still good in wet conditions. Tractionizing is spinning the tire and wheel on a medival torture device that turns it into something that looks like rubber velcro. Here is a good description: www.uniwerks.ca/sac/sactionizer2.htm (Not trying to sell anything. No connection to the business. Just a good link.) Stacks: Thanks for the link to Defi. My wife and I are actually very involved in rallying. She is the VP Navigation of Rallysport Ontario and we have won the Ontario Road Rally Cup Series for the last couple of years. We also do course car at The Rally of the Tall Pines and The Black Bear Rally. This is my other Subaru! Attachments:
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Post by indkid87 on Aug 26, 2009 11:40:24 GMT -5
I'm guessing tractionizing would be a very bad thing to do if you still plan on using the tires on dry pavement. Sick STi by the way are you on DI to?
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Post by bjornbsrkr on Aug 27, 2009 7:50:53 GMT -5
A tractionized tire's life span would be measured in minutes on dry payment. Even on ice, we have to "re-tractionize" periodically to break up the tire fuzz that has fused together again with the heat. Plus, tractionized tires have almost zero grip in snow. They just pack up and spin. They are really only effective on ice. DI? I don't know what you mean, so I am guessing the answer is "no". Truth be told, the STi is a awesome car and a lot of fun to drive. Besides the nav. rallies and doing course car work, I have competed in summer and winter rally cross and done a couple of track days. It is all fun, but the consequences can be a bit scary. A rock buried in the sand at a recent event cost me a sub-frame, wheel, inner fender and windshield. It was a huge hit! On the other hand, driving the Justy WAY beyond its limits on ice is a riot and generally of minor consequence. If you really screw up, you spend the rest of the race on a snow bank and get mocked by your peers. You may be in the running for the annual "Bank Manager" award. Big deal. (This is a photo of the other Justy's "oops" last season. I think the pirates had something to do with it!) It is serious, door-handle-scraping racing, but should something break you know that your competition will be helping with the wrenching to fix it for the next race. Attachments:
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Post by indkid87 on Aug 27, 2009 11:35:34 GMT -5
Sorry DI stands for Dirty Impreza its another forum thats dedicated to the rally racing of Imprezas. Its full of good info and great people just like this forum.
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Post by imaginarius on Aug 28, 2009 0:37:46 GMT -5
So what are the pro's and con's of 2 and 4-door versions, I mean, have you raced with either or just(y) the 4-door model only?
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Post by bjornbsrkr on Aug 28, 2009 13:41:20 GMT -5
I can't see there is much difference between the 2 and 4 door model as far as ice racing would be concerned. The only two that run at Minden just happend to be 4 doors.
The other one is a 1988 model. Doug is a very skilled driver and could probably win driving a skate board! He drives super clean with a very minimum of sliding about on the track. I am working hard to copy his techniques.
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Post by bjornbsrkr on Jan 13, 2010 8:45:32 GMT -5
After a summer of procrastination, I finally got the Justy out of storage, changed the oil, hammered out some of the dents, and it is ready to go. The "diet" will have to wait for another year!
Just a reminder to Justy watchers in southern Ontario that the Magnum Printing Ice Racing Series starts in Minden, Ontario on January 23/24th at the Minden Fairgrounds (Bobcaygeon Road). This is a chance to see a couple of Justies and a handful of XTs and GLs kick some Audi butt on the track.
Admission is free! Racing starts at 9 am on Saturday and noon on Sunday. Weather permitting (meaning NOT warm and sunny or heavy rains!), racing will run every weekend until February 27/28. Most drivers are willing to take passengers out during the racing if you ask around.
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Post by RedRooJusty on Jan 13, 2010 11:38:15 GMT -5
Good luck to you on this season. Ice Racing looks to be the most fun a Justy owner can have with their pants on . Is there a site for this years racing events?
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Post by bjornbsrkr on Jan 27, 2010 7:28:25 GMT -5
The two ice racing Justy(s) were well represented on the first weekend of racing.
Doug Forbes and his Justy were unstoppable and ran away with the qualifier and all four races. He lapped the field in one race. The only one to give him any challenge was in the final race of the weekend. Kiyo arrived with a "new" turbo XT (there is more WRX in the engine bay then XT!) and swapped positions with Doug for a while. Judging by the sounds coming from the XT, I am guessing somewhere more than 20 psi of boost! It will be a good season.
I ran a consistent series of thirds behind a Tercel 4x4 wagon.
The weather forecast looks good for next weekend. Really cold (therefore slippery which favours the light, low power cars) conditions.
Ice racing runs in Minden Ontario for the next five weekends in a row.
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Post by SergioM on Feb 3, 2010 16:58:01 GMT -5
Giving a XT hard times in Justy sounds like really skilled driver to me, great job guys
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Post by bjornbsrkr on Feb 10, 2010 6:43:56 GMT -5
In ice racing it is a mixture of driver skill and traction. Less than 20 horses going to each wheel will always wins out over 70+ going to each wheel when the ice is "slippery".
Paul
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Post by SergioM on Feb 10, 2010 10:52:30 GMT -5
In ice racing it is a mixture of driver skill and traction. Less than 20 horses going to each wheel will always wins out over 70+ going to each wheel when the ice is "slippery". Paul Yeah but lets not forget that Forester can have a lot wider tires than Justy, so it comes to weight and 4wd split ratio, thats where justy power 80front 20rear (or close to that) comes handy so the rear of the car dont go sidewas when you push the gas. You´re allowed to race on nailed tires?
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