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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 17:25:12 GMT -5
Hello hello! I just got my first Justy only a week ago. It's a 1988 White J12 carb. Been a bit shaky getting used to it, but in no time at all I fell in love with this little car! My brother, a mutual mechanic friend and myself are beginning to cook up a plan to encompass us for a long term hobby project for this vehicle to see about taking it from it's stages of development, from the initial 'lighter load' stripping mods, to the final act, Rallycross. I so far have a general plan of attack, but any input or suggestions for stages of development to add components or modifications. I also intend to take photos to cover each step of the project, in case it looks like I'm doing something wrong, or to give ideas, and since a lot of mods for the justy don't have many guides, I hope I can contribute! [glow=red,2,300]Stage 1:[/glow] [shadow=red,left,300]Stability[/shadow] I'll strip the backseats and rear paneling, strip, grind, seal and deaden sound. The car has an issue with the tachometer ticking, so I plan on a carb rebuild and a good once-over replacement of fluids, system checks and a general tune-up. This is the least impressive stage. And to the roof, I'll affix a 2x3 foot jolly roger decal. At this point in time I'll have established the vehicle's running at stock optimized. To help nip the oil pressure problems in the bud from the getgo, I'll install a brand new oil pump and an Oil Accumulator. And since they're pretty shoddy to begin with, new headlights and wipers. [glow=red,2,300]Stage 2:[/glow] [shadow=red,left,300]Utility[/shadow] The key in this stage is increasing it's accessibility to more inhospitable environments, and more tolerance for high abuse. This will also be the stage that I will likely punish the vehicle offroad every chance I get to try to 'debug' operating problems. I already suspect that at this stage the transmission may die, as the second and fifth gears already grind a lot. According to building spec, I'll install a full rollcage welded of chromaly pipe, skidplate, bumper shield, foglights and finish stripping as much as I legally can from the interior, grind the surfaces I can't and rhino coat everything but the console, seats and seatbelts. I will also tear out the front seats and steering wheel and replace them with racing seats, 5 point harness and racing steering wheel. I also plan to knock out the rear side windows and replace them with metal sheet, since I think that the 'panel van' look of the justy is really unique. And to cap it all off, use a 1-2 inch body lift kit, and larger wheels. [glow=red,2,300]Stage 3:[/glow] [shadow=red,left,300]Performance[/shadow] And here's the fun part. I plan to first and foremost swap out the engine for one of DustyJusty's performance rebuilds, install a stage 1 racing clutch and sports shifter, a lightweight performance flywheel(drop from 18-8 pounds), performance harmonic balancer(drop from 20-8 pounds), both to increase engine response and torque, and possibly a turbo, but undecided, since for RallyX I'd have to include a restrictor and if I included a turbo I'd have to up my weight for the class. if the engine turns out to be carbureted, or if I stuck with my engine I'm starting with, I'd also need to install a beefier carburetor. My issues stand of trying to find a flywheel and harmonic balancer above OEM specs. There's a possibility I may get these components custom manufactured. My main key focus of this build is, over hp, to cut on my weight and boost my torque as much as possible to give myself an edge and stay in the 1200cc class. All of that being said, if suggestions, comments or concerns can be had, I'd love to hear them! And that being said, Say hello to 'Captain Ahab'. You can also see a whole buttload of images here! s271.photobucket.com/albums/jj152/wesrut/Justy/
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Post by SeattleJusty on Jan 14, 2008 20:33:43 GMT -5
BLP, welcome to the Justy forum. Before I address your post I want to say - Have a good time
- Read read read as much as you can before you post or ask a question
- Don't believe everything you hear (even if it is in this forum)
OK now back to what you spoke of. Let's review some of the points of your plan. OK, minus 20LBs+ 20LBsNo such "kit" exists but if few wackos on this board have done it. Be warned though, if you want to compete in any kind of fast motorsport, a lift will be prohibitive at best and probably not allowed by the scrutineers governing the event.OK
- $3000 for the bottom end
- $500 for the top end
- $Who knows how much for shipping. None of this includes your accumulator, "beefier carb", turbo, etc etc etc. Pretty rich blood for a Justy.
What is a "stage 1"...anything? Getting a little tired of video games telling people how car mods work. Let us know where you get your sport shifter. OK we need to talk about this lightening of the harmonic balancer business. Firstly, I think you're confusing your harmonic balancer with your balance shaft. Harmonic balancers are main-pulleys. That timing pulley that drives your only external belt, THAT is the guy! That little pulley only weighs a few ounces. As far as the balance shaft goes, I don't know where you're getting your info but that lil guys is probably nowhere near 20LBs. I have one in a drawer somewhere, I'll dig it up and weigh it. It's actually too light to start with. In terms of what's-gonna-break-first-when-I-rev-it goes, the balance shaft is the achilles heel of the EF12 (classic Justy engine). Those things break and when the do, it makes a brain sized hole in the side (front) of the block. You don't want to lighten the balance shaft.Yeah, let us know where you find that. Maybe from someone selling a stage1 shifter or something.... Seriously though, that's a pretty nice looking stock Gen1 Justy you have there. If I were you, I would keep it stock and get a 2WD Gen2 (1989-1994) Justy for racing. The later Justys have better everything. Bigger axles, bigger brakes, a stiffer hood/bonnet that doesn't smack the cowl with every bump in the road, a shorter 5th gear, and frankly they're just easier to get parts for. Like I said, welcome to the jungle, I mean the board.
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Post by blackjusty on Jan 14, 2008 20:50:01 GMT -5
Has anyone bought a DustyJusty shortblock? I tried to buy some things but he didn't actually have any of it or it is no longer available. I actually agree with SJ. That car could be restored if it is not rusty. That would be a good way to start, and you could modify it from there.
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Post by durbas on Jan 15, 2008 4:44:01 GMT -5
Can You put pictures of the engine without the air filter, just to see the carburator connections?
Nice Project! And good picures of the engine, looks very nice!
Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 14:22:45 GMT -5
No such "kit" exists but if few wackos on this board have done it. Be warned though, if you want to compete in any kind of fast motorsport, a lift will be prohibitive at best and probably not allowed by the scrutineers governing the event. Good advice on the height to the motorsports. One of my intents with the second stage lift is for offroad and clearance. And plus since at this stage it would also be used in my job (rural paper delivery), I cover deep mud, snow and ice. And I've managed to get highcentered on a snowbank while going over unplowed terrain to get to different drop points, and in this point having a lift would be beneficial. Although the kit would be made modular to be reverted and dropped later. I'd have to discuss with mudrat if that's doable so I'd be able to compete it later on. As for there being no kit, I found one being made by Mudrat in central oregon. I called him and talked a bit, and he said his kit is certainly workable with a justy. mudrat-design.tripod.com/id14.htmlOK
- $3000 for the bottom end
- $500 for the top end
- $Who knows how much for shipping. None of this includes your accumulator, "beefier carb", turbo, etc etc etc. Pretty rich blood for a Justy.
Yes, rich indeed. I may end up doing the rebuild myself with my friends depending on cost, also I'm not sure I'd do the turbo anyways, since most of the justy turbo jobs I've seen aren't exactly the most stable. But sooner or later the engine will need to be replaced or rebuilt, since with work, I'm currently pounding the poor thing with 100 miles a day 7 days a week. This may change in the near future, but I'm at 169k miles as is. Since Dusty's up in washington, I'd likely head up there in person to inspect the build, since he's just half a state away. Cost and swap are steep, but with an older car like this, it's more or less what I'd expect. XD Unless there are engine alternatives like a VTEC or a motorcycle engine, but I don't like the idea of jerryrigging engine components unless I have to. What is a "stage 1"...anything? The stages in racing clutches for public purchase are different stages in torque ratio for different functions. 1 being the lowest end, lighter and a softer spring for faster gear response in shifting. and a more typical torque ratio than 2 or 3 and higher, which gets into the rapid shifting, more customizable fittings and fluff for drag and street racing. I'm going in for the lighter weight. Firstly, I think you're confusing your harmonic balancer with your balance shaft. I was looking at the crankshaft pulley, actually. In the alldatadiy guide I have for the justy it continually referred to harmonic balancer every time I recalled the crankshaft pulley, so I must have had that mixed up. Either way, will likely have to be fabricated if I want a lighter one. The later Justys have better everything. Bigger axles, bigger brakes, a stiffer hood/bonnet that doesn't smack the cowl with every bump in the road, a shorter 5th gear, and frankly they're just easier to get parts for. This, however, is a great piece that I just didn't know. Like I said, welcome to the jungle, I mean the board. Thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 14:29:33 GMT -5
Can You put pictures of the engine without the air filter, just to see the carburator connections? Nice Project! And good picures of the engine, looks very nice! Thanks! I'll get these for you this afternoon when I get the batteries for my camera charged.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 19:52:25 GMT -5
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Post by SeattleJusty on Jan 15, 2008 19:53:00 GMT -5
No such "kit" exists but if few wackos on this board have done it. Be warned though, if you want to compete in any kind of fast motorsport, a lift will be prohibitive at best and probably not allowed by the scrutineers governing the event. Good advice on the height to the motorsports. One of my intents with the second stage lift is for offroad and clearance. And plus since at this stage it would also be used in my job (rural paper delivery), I cover deep mud, snow and ice. And I've managed to get highcentered on a snowbank while going over unplowed terrain to get to different drop points, and in this point having a lift would be beneficial. Although the kit would be made modular to be reverted and dropped later. I'd have to discuss with mudrat if that's doable so I'd be able to compete it later on. As for there being no kit, I found one being made by Mudrat in central oregon. I called him and talked a bit, and he said his kit is certainly workable with a justy. mudrat-design.tripod.com/id14.htmlYes, rich indeed. I may end up doing the rebuild myself with my friends depending on cost, also I'm not sure I'd do the turbo anyways, since most of the justy turbo jobs I've seen aren't exactly the most stable. But sooner or later the engine will need to be replaced or rebuilt, since with work, I'm currently pounding the poor thing with 100 miles a day 7 days a week. This may change in the near future, but I'm at 169k miles as is. Since Dusty's up in washington, I'd likely head up there in person to inspect the build, since he's just half a state away. Cost and swap are steep, but with an older car like this, it's more or less what I'd expect. XD Unless there are engine alternatives like a VTEC or a motorcycle engine, but I don't like the idea of jerryrigging engine components unless I have to. The stages in racing clutches for public purchase are different stages in torque ratio for different functions. 1 being the lowest end, lighter and a softer spring for faster gear response in shifting. and a more typical torque ratio than 2 or 3 and higher, which gets into the rapid shifting, more customizable fittings and fluff for drag and street racing. I'm going in for the lighter weight. I was looking at the crankshaft pulley, actually. In the alldatadiy guide I have for the justy it continually referred to harmonic balancer every time I recalled the crankshaft pulley, so I must have had that mixed up. Either way, will likely have to be fabricated if I want a lighter one. This, however, is a great piece that I just didn't know. Like I said, welcome to the jungle, I mean the board. Thank you! I can see already you have a good attitude and a better sense of humor than most Canadians. I don't know who told you Dusty's Justy's was in Washington but they aren't. Although Washington boasts the largest number of Justys in North America (Seattle specifically) Dusty is in North Carolina. Hope you like flying. Also, one more problem with the "lift kit". Everyone I have spoken to that has lifted a Justy, admits that they eat axles. Justy axles were never designed to be angled like that. Turning left and right further exacerbates the problem and forget about trying to put extra horsepower through that arrangement. If you really need a dependable vehicle for rural delivery rout, I would recommend not doing this. If your Justy honestly does not have what it takes to tour your route, get a Toyota truck. As far as lightening the main pulley: don't. Justys have three cylinder engines that run very rough by nature. They have significant vibrations of the first and second order. You need that balance shaft , flywheel and pulley to keep things from breaking under stress.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 20:48:34 GMT -5
I can see already you have a good attitude and a better sense of humor than most Canadians. No kidding! I married one once! ;D I don't know who told you Dusty's Justy's was in Washington You know, I don't know either! It could have been my wishful thinking, or self denial, but I'll shift the blame and just say 'yeah, somebody told me wrong!'. On the lift kit: Again, something I just didn't know! I'm coming here not knowing a lot and keeping an open mind. The last thing I want to do is destroy the poor thing. I admit that I know so little about cars that I'm willing to admit being a layman. And being who I am, I'd rather 'know' than assume, so I'll take your advice at face value! I own a Ford F-150. I got the Justy to lighten the cost on my gas. You need that balance shaft , flywheel and pulley to keep things from breaking under stress. Point taken. But where -can- I focus to increase torque? I don't like the fact that I can't take the highway uphill and stay over 55 without having to shift into third! ;D Also, I think I noticed a trend in my idling problems. Cold, I seem to run stable, but once that engine temp gets to the halfway point in the gauge is when the ticking and stalling starts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 20:49:30 GMT -5
I can see already you have a good attitude and a better sense of humor than most Canadians. SJ, We have Dan Akroyd, Mike Myers, Jim Carrey and the late great John Candy. Top that off with 500,000 Newfies and Mounted Police in funny uniforms. If that isn't enough, come visit our conservative parliement, now that's a joke!! stacks Three words: Milk in bags.
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Post by redmavis12 on Jan 15, 2008 21:18:21 GMT -5
Man, you guys weren't kidding when you said there are a lot of hoses going into and out of the Justy carburetor...looks like a friggin' octopus!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by durbas on Jan 16, 2008 3:49:12 GMT -5
Thanks for the pics! ;D They will be very helpful, i hope! Good luck with your project!
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