SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Feb 27, 2005 18:04:28 GMT -5
Hello. I am new to this board and am new to my recently aquired 1987 Justy DL. I am having great difficulty locating my fuel filter and have not yet aquired a proper repair manual. This is the first car I have ever had where the PCV valve screws into the carb, so I guess I won't beat myself up too badly for flunking the filter hunt. Thanks in advance for any help. I'm gonna go outside and degrease my engine now!
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Post by SUBIEJIM on Feb 27, 2005 22:06:24 GMT -5
Hey, new guy...We were all new to Justys once! To answer rour question, the filter is on the left side of the vehicle just ahead of the rear wheel. If you look under the car in that area you will see a plate attached with three bolts, remove the bolts and the pump and filter assembly will drop down and you can replace the filter. I just saw a new fuel filter for your car on ebay for $1.00 if you need one. Just do a search for Subaru Justy in the parts and accessories section. Welcome..... Hope this helps, Jim
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SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Feb 28, 2005 0:23:34 GMT -5
Woah! Thanks so much. I have heard about fuelies having the pump in the tank but I didn't know a carby would have the pump and filter NEAR the tank and not IN the tank. Just like you said, three fasteners holding on a mouting plate with the pump and filter. From the look of it, this might be the 2nd or 3rd filter the car has ever had. It was gross! There were spider webs all over everything. After fighting with the outlet line and spilling about 7/10ths of a litre of fuel, I got it all back together. Note to any other 1st time fuel filter changers out there; be sure to yank the clamp from your old filter and put it onto your new unit so you can secure it to the mounting plate like before. I just drove my DL about 3 miles and everything is better than ever. I must have picked up at least 5 LB FT of torque below 3000 RPM and it is so much more responsive than before. That nasty filter was the neck in my bottle. Thanks again for assiting me and the timely response! ;D
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Post by SUBIEJIM on Feb 28, 2005 8:36:09 GMT -5
No Problem!! Glad the filter change was a success. As to the nasty filter issue..This is common on ALL Justys due to the fact that Fuji Heavy was not aware of two famous old sayings at the time..."Out of site, Out of mind" and "Location is Everything"! . Seriously, If your car has under 130,000 Mi it is probably the original. Good luck with your Justy! Jim
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SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Feb 28, 2005 11:38:32 GMT -5
Wow, 133,000 miles and counting. You hit the nail right on the head there Jim. It amazes me how hardy these things are. Mine hasn't had a tune up (until now) in so long the previous owner couldn't recollect. The vehicle sat under a tree for three years and with nothing more than a shot of ether, it fired up on old gas and ran to the gas station & back. Now I have some other more serious issues to address. Like the fact that my check engine light comes on after about 15 or 20 minutes of driving. I think this is because my electric fan is not coming on. I don't know much about the electrical systems on these cars but mine has a three fuse block and the center fuse is missing. The reason why; one of the metal tabs that this female style fuse slips onto, is busted out of the fuse box and so putting in a fuse is futile since there is no circuit to complete. I have sourced a fuse box from a scrap yard for $15 and I talked to an automotive electrician that gave me a rough estimate of $80 to swap them out. (I think I might be able to just do this myself or find a cheaper estimate) I sure hope that this is the reason my fan doesn't come on because there are no other electrical woes besides this. What a fun little car so far!
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Post by Scoobaru on Mar 1, 2005 19:40:14 GMT -5
Which fuse box are you talking about? If it is the one under the hood, near the master brake cylinder, then it should only have two fuses. The secondary fuse panel is under a plastic panel just around your left knee as you are sitting in the car. If your fan isn't working, one of the first things I would change would be the thermoswitch. Mine went bad, and the fan wasn't starting up, but with that small an engine, it would not overheat at all until one very hot summer day, and even then it only started to creep up on the guage when you were sitting idling in traffic. The thermoswitch I believe is located on the back of the block. Should be available online somewhere or from the dealer.
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SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Mar 1, 2005 23:35:31 GMT -5
Wow, thanks for the input on the extra fuse box and thermo switch. yes I was talking about the fuses by the brake booster and mine has three spaces for three fuses and like I described the centermost spot for a fuse is missing one of the tabs that the fuse would slide onto. I am going to go down to my garage right now and start poking around. Oh, I don't know for sure if it's running hot because my temp guage has no needle! Nice, huh. So I wonder why my check engine light comes on after the car gets warmed up. Since my dash is cracked and held together with duct tape, I think I might just pull the whole dash and guages from a junk'd car at a scrap yard. Maybe I can even find one with a tachometer
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Post by Scoobaru on Mar 2, 2005 10:41:27 GMT -5
Just a note, when mine was overheating, the check engine light did not come on, so you may have a different problem. There's a method for dumping out the codes, let me know if you want the process for that.
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SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Mar 2, 2005 11:49:47 GMT -5
Yeah I totally do. I tell ya what, you can either post it here if it's simple so other's can benefit or else you can message me personally if it's long & drawn out but I think that's great of you to offer! I have been finding all of the 'gremlins' and am not sure what all of them are caused by so everyone's help on here has been fantastic!
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Post by allsubaru on Mar 2, 2005 12:42:19 GMT -5
If the offer still stands....please post for everyone's benefit. I do a lot of my Justy's maintenance, having access to the codes would save big $$. Usually dealers charge a Code Reading service charge....sometimes as much as $60 cdn.
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Post by Scoobaru on Mar 4, 2005 12:13:02 GMT -5
I'll get to it this weekend, although this would be specifically for an 88 (possibly 87?), this would probably differ for later years. From what I remember it's pretty simple, I think you just connected up a pair of connectors and watched for the flashing light on the main module (under left side of dash). Convert the number of light flashes to a code and go from there. I'll look it up and let you know. It's laid out in the shop manual.
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SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Mar 4, 2005 12:42:49 GMT -5
Scoobaru, you the man for sure. That would be sooo excellent. I did have a look under my dash at the regular fuse box too and all of my fuses look OK, so I think it probably is a bad fan switch or temp sensor or whatever that's making my cooling fan stay off even after warm up. I look forward to this weekend when I'll be learning diag-codes from you! Cheers!
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Post by allsubaru on Mar 4, 2005 12:47:39 GMT -5
That's great. Thanks.
I have a 95, but I'm willing to try the method for 87's. OBD I became OBD II in 94/95 I think, so I may be out of luck....but it's worth a try.
Does anyone have a 94/95 Repair Manual?..and wants to sell it?
I know of a guy that can copy the manual into PDF. Then the Justy Forum members can all benefit. If anyone is interested in other years and are willing to mail a photocopy of the manual I can get it into a PDF file.
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SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Mar 4, 2005 13:06:25 GMT -5
Fantastic. I would be willing to compensate a little bit for a copy (hardcopy or digital) unless compensation is a no no. Hell, anyone in the Northwest United States is welcome to come down to my garage for a micro and some reading/wrench turning too.
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Post by allsubaru on Mar 4, 2005 13:27:02 GMT -5
Hey Seattlejusty, I think compensation would be a no no. So this offer is strictly available for free. Napster here we come! Is your copy on microfiche? If so, we probably can't transfer it, at least not without special equipment. I'm located in Eastern Ontario (Canada), a trip to the Northwest is unfortunately out of the question. But that is why we have this forum right!!
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Post by Scoobaru on Mar 5, 2005 20:00:34 GMT -5
Okay, here goes. First you have to locate a few things. First your ECM, which is the main "computer". This is a metal box located under the left dash, you pretty much have to lie on the floor to see it I think. From what I remember it is about 3" by 4"? On this box there is a small led, you may not be able to see it when it is off, but it is pretty easy to see when it is on. This light is called the O2 monitor lamp (not sure why). This leads to the next things to look for, which are a couple of connectors hanging down around in that same area. This connectors are only hooked up for test/code reading purposes, so they should be hanging loose when you find them. One is called the Test Mode connector, and is green, two pins I believe. The second is the Read Memory connector, and is black, only a single pin. Okay, now to get the codes out. There's a couple of ways. First method, if the engine is running and the check engine light is on, if you look at the O2 light on the ECM, it should be blinking out a trouble code. More on how to interpret the flashes later. If the engine is running and the check engine light is off, connect the Read Memory connector. If there is a code in memory on the ECM, the check engine light should come on steady, and the O2 light should flash out a code. If there is no code in memory when you connect the Read Memory connector, then the check engine light should just start flashing, and the O2 light should remain off. I think it should actually work the same for reading the codes out if you just turn the ignition switch to on without actually starting the engine. The above process is referred to as the Read Memory mode in the manual. It also talks about the D-check mode which is basically the same as the above except you connect the Test Mode connector instead of the Read Memory connector. There is two differences though, with the first being that before the trouble code is read out, the vehicle specification code is flashed out. Even if there is no trouble code in memory, then only the vehicle specification code is flashed out. There are four vehicle specification codes, 01, 02, 05, and 06, which are (FWD, 49state and Canada),(FWD,California),(4WD,49state and Canada), and (4WD, California) respectively. One more thing before I explain how to read the blinking, if you want to clear the memory, connect both the Read Memory and Test Mode connectors at the same time. The blinking is converted to a code as follows. There are long flashes (1.2seconds) and short flashes (0.2 seconds). The long flash equals ten and the short flashes indicates one. The long flashes will be first, with one flash for ten, two for twenty, etc. These will be followed by a series of short flashes for the single units. Clear as mud? An example would help, three long flashes followed by four short flashes would equal 34. Make sense now? There will be about a two second delay and the code will be repeated, or if more then one code is present, all codes will be flashed out, then repeated. I think this is a long enough volume and I got the munchies, so I will post the actual trouble codes later.
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SeattleJusty
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Post by SeattleJusty on Mar 5, 2005 23:02:54 GMT -5
That's great so far. It's 8 P.M. my time so I think I'll read my code(s) tomorrow and maybe post 'em for us all to see. This is so exciting!
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Post by Scoobaru on Mar 6, 2005 18:44:18 GMT -5
Don't get too excited. Sometimes these codes are kind of cryptic. Here they are: 14 Duty Solenoid valve control system 15 CFC system 21 Water Temperature 22 VLC solenoid control system 23 Pressure sensor system 24 Idle-up solenoid valve control system 25 FCV solenoid valve control system 32 O2 sensor system 33 Car speed sensor system 35 Purge control solenoid valve control system 52 Clutch switch system (FWD model only) 62 Idle-up system 63 Idle-up system That's it, see what I mean by cryptic? Makes me long for the day of a nice simple carb with a manual choke... From the way I interpret it, these codes are from the read memory mode. I think some of these codes will be generated even if you have never seen the check engine light come on. The way the manual puts it is "The diagnosis of other parts which do not give significant adverse effect to start-up and drive are excluded from this mode in order to avoid unnecessary uneasiness by the user" I hate to be unnecessarily uneasy... Also for your fan problem, from the way the wiring diagram looks, other than checking the wiring and connections, the only components to check are: - 60Amp fuse in fuse box under hood (probably not unless a bunch of other stuff isn't working. Your car probably wouldn't even start). - Fuses 9 and 10 in the under dash fuse box (if your horn and heater fan works, then not these since it is on the same fuses) - the thermoswitch - the ignition switch (same note as above with the horn and heater fan). So pretty much brings it to the thermoswitch.
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SeattleJusty
No, a boxer will not fit in a Justy.
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Post by SeattleJusty on Mar 6, 2005 23:14:19 GMT -5
Wow, thanks man. I sure hope I can get time this week to perform a run-through and see what and how many codes I can eek out! I just spent an hour degreasing my transaxle and still haven't got all of the grime off yet. That's what fifteen years of build up with no cleansing will do I guess...oh, make that 18 years! I'll let everyone know what I come up with this week. Again, you are a hero for sharing this knowledge with all of us.
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Post by trustytom on Mar 6, 2005 23:15:01 GMT -5
I vote for the thermoswitch also. It's kind of a problem with subaru. Also, I have a manual for a 90 justy. It's the same with these additions: 16 feedback system 34 EGR solenoid valve 46 radiator fan control system 53 HAC solenoid valve
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